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Homosexuality and why its wrong
An essay by (General Hein/Talin)
In today’s America homosexuality has become a hot topic, so I have decided to put my point-of-view into view on what homosexuality is, and why it is wrong. To fully understand homosexuality, we should look at the definition of its base word, homosexual, as in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary
ho•mo•sex•u•al- "hO-m&-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex
As stated above, and as you may know, homosexuality is the condition of being attracted to member of the same sex. Bisexuality, in my opinion, is still considered homosexuality, because attraction to the same sex is still included. Homosexuals are classified into, gays for men, and lesbians for women.
Now that you understand the basic idea and terms of homosexuality, I will explain why it is wrong. First, homosexuality itself is wrong, but homosexuals that admit to others or themselves that they are attracted to the same sex, yet abstain from being sexually active or dating that person, are not wrong. But, if they do actively engage in sexual activity or dating with the same sex, then they are wrong.
Second, homosexuals do not further physically advance the human race by producing an offspring(s) with a mate of the opposite sex. This is important because, when a new child is born, it slowly speeds the evolutionary process in humans, which is important in our changing environment. In this way homosexuality does not contribute to the human race. Homosexuality is slowly killing the human race, and stunting its growth. In a defending statement to the previous sentence, the Earth was not designed at all, therefore was not designed for life. The Earth could be as desolate as Mars, if only one thing had gone different. So in attacking the statement, “The Earth is over crowded,” I state that their still are vast lands that can house billions of people. The air above our heads can soon be a place of housing for many. The planets and moons in our very own stellar system are waiting to be developed, to house hundreds of billions in total.
Next, if homosexuals are allowed to marry, it will be inevitable that pedophiles and other perverts will demand to have their rights to ‘marry’ their partners. This cannot be allowed to happen, because as rules on sexual behavior vanish, rape and other hurtful and offensive acts will be committed frequently. Homosexuality is wrong for the civilized world, it breaks down the integrity of the Constitution(Rex’s Facts on Gay Marriage- 1).
Then, homosexuality goes against all teachings of civilized religions. As many people hate to face the fact that religion and government interconnect, in fact, our all governments were shaped by religion. Our constitution was designed off of three documents, one of them the bible. Since marriage is between a man and a woman, not an man and man, or woman and woman, then active homosexuals couples are theirfore not married, and are committing adultery. “Thou shall not commit adultery”, this is a fundamental law of the Judeo-Christian faiths. Adultery is always looked down upon and is considered a sin in all primary religions of today.
Being born with homosexuality is very rare, and sometimes happens in the youngest boys of a family of primarily boys(6+ boys). Researchers believe this a a genetic failsafe to prevent a larger male popular than female populace. So saying that all homosexuals were born that way, is simply not true. Most homosexuals are homosexual to be different of to rebel against their parents and their parents religion.
What must be understood, is that homosexuality is like a disease, it spreads, and kills. Not only does it slowly kill humanity, it was on of the primary ‘incubation’ group for the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV). So say homosexuality is a alternate lifestyle, is wrong, it is a plague among humans. Some people say that this statement is discriminatory or Nazi-like, but unlike the Nazis I am giving a valid reason why homosexuals are bad and why I do not like active homosexuals, and I am not suggesting or preaching that we should kill them.
Finally, other animals only have sex to reproduce. Humans and dolphins are the only to races on Earth that have sex for fun. Therefore it is seen in the natural world that homosexuality is wrong for the survival of the species.
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Classification of homosexuals. Since there isn’t really and set classification of homosexuals, I will put my classification of types of homosexuals. I have organized it in the line of, top being the worst, and bottom being most right.
Active Homosexual- Any person who actively only dates and has sex with a person of the same sex. In my opinion this is the worst type of homosexual.
Semi-Active Homosexual- Any homosexual only dates, but does not have sex with a person. This form is next in the line.
Active Bisexual- Any person who actively dates and has sex with members of both sexes. As I stated before bisexuals are still followers of homosexuality.
Semi-Active Bisexuals- Any one person who actively date people of both sexes.
Non-Active Homosexuals- Any person who admits to themselves or others that they are homosexual, but don’t actively date of have sex with the same sex. These people in my mind are right to face their weakness, yet not succumb to it.
Non-Active Bisexual- Any bisexual who admits to themselves or others that they are bisexual, yet do not participate in any dating of sexually activity.
Straight-Active Bisexual- Any bisexual that admits they are attracted to the same sex as well as the opposite sex, yet actively date the opposite sex, and avoid the temptation of the same sex. These people are the most right in my opinion.
As I have said, homosexuality is, in my mind, a plague, and in today’s America, its is becoming more and more popular. As I have stated, I strongly believe that it will slowly lead to our demise as a species. Although many say my views are hateful, I would like to say that my views are backed with a reason that has been well thought of and developed. To all who say I’m hateful, just remember, what you preach is hateful too, hateful to those who hold fast to morals, religion, and the human race. As the debate on homosexuality grows larger everyday, I decided to make my points against it clear and on paper. Just because I wrote this doesn’t mean I will always hold the views. As life progresses, we experience different things, that shape and re-shape our views on life. But if there is anything about this topic that will always remain clear in my head is that I will never be a homosexual.
Works Cited-
Jalandoni, Rex. “Rex’s Facts on Gay Marriage” Sanity’s Requiem
10 Feb 2004. Sanity Corp.
2003. <www.freewebs.com/sanitys-requiem>
For any of you who want to see what “Rex’s Facts on Gay Marriage”, says, I’ll include it here.
| From Rex's Facts |
Valid points to oppose “Gay Marriages”:
• The only reason I see that “Gays” would want their marriage to be recognized is for them to receive the advantages of marriage. Allowing this would give them the benefits of a regular married couple, increasing taxes to normal working families.
• Allowing “Gays” to marry or join in any form of a civil union because it is unconstitutional to not allow it would only bring up more questioning. Gays ask for recognition, then Pedophiles say it is unconstitutional for them not to have a choice in their sexual orientation, then children demand that they be allowed to marry, then all kinds of psychotics bring up questions that break down the integrity of the Constitution.
• Since religion has no place in the government, why should the word marriage be used in the government, the word itself has a religious meaning that dates back to its origin. Therefore the word should be removed and replaced.
Scientific views:
• Homosexual reproduction does not contribute to the population of any organism.
• The organism created in reproduction usually has some form of a positive evolution; therefore without any offspring created through homosexual reproduction no contribution to human advancement is made.
Religious views:
• No form of homosexuality is found to be acceptable in any civilized religion.
• Homosexuality has led to the unfortunate corruption of certain religions. EX Catholic clergymen
In the event of:
• Someone saying it’s bigotry- question them why is it bigotry to stop someone from robbing you of your hard earned money simply because they want their sexual orientation to be recognized? Tell them to open their eyes to what would truly happen.
• Someone questioning the economic conspiracy- marriage once recognized yields many benefits to the couple, that they would produce children that the government could eventually count as a human resource; allowing gay marriages or any government recognized union breaks the government cycle and disrupts economic balance
• In the event of someone questioning religion’s purpose in here- remind them that it is through the Church that your western world (in all its corruption I might add!) exists today, you cannot deny that without the Church there would be no today for you.
• Someone questions scientific views asking for proof- at this point there is no true credible proof; the only available proof if any is the theory of evolution (do not use if unnecessary: theory itself is questionable)
• Questioning if true cause of corruption in clergymen- if no form of homosexuality had ever been known, then there would be no chance of an event occurring
• Questions term civilized religion- any religion found sensible and based on a tried and proven set of rules and regulations is deemed civilized |
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Actually, I agree completely, for the following reasons.
1.Homosexuality is not natural, much like oculur defects (needing glasses/contacts/lasik), polyester, and birth control.
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid becasue they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.
3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.
6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that seeing married tall people will make you tall.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or longer lifespans.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "seperate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.
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| Guest wrote: |
Actually, I agree completely, for the following reasons.
1.Homosexuality is not natural, much like oculur defects (needing glasses/contacts/lasik), polyester, and birth control.
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid becasue they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.
3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.
6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that seeing married tall people will make you tall.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or longer lifespans.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "seperate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.
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What the hell happened to your pro-gay message feralboy |
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If I'm and idiot, your one. |
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Bren, before I reply to your 'why homosexuality is wrong' rant, may I ask; Are you serious?
Guest, Nice one  At first glance I really thought you were agreeing with Bren's load of bollocks. |
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Posted: Fri 2004-03-12 14:33
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| Bill wrote: |
before I reply to your 'why homosexuality is wrong' rant, may I ask; Are you serious?
Guest, Nice one At first glance I really thought you were agreeing with Bren's load of bollocks. |
Yes I am very serious.
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I disagree with you Hein.
If you want my feelings on it, the guest just made all the points I wanted to.
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| General Hein wrote: |
| Next, if homosexuals are allowed to marry, it will be inevitable that pedophiles and other perverts will demand to have their rights to ‘marry’ their partners. |
I was just having this discussion with somebody else the other day.
Here's how I see the slippery slope...
Marriage used to mean "1 man + 1 woman". Now, people want to redefine to mean merely "2 people".
But, if "two people" can get married, why not 3 or 4? Why couldn't a cult leader marry all of his followers? Why couldn't some jag-off marry all of Mexico to give them citizenship? Why couldn't a corporation get married & adopt children... thereby circumventing most child-labor laws?
...And why should marriage be limited to people? Why not Horses?
If a Mexican marries an American horse, does that qualify him for citizenship?
Of course, most people would think these arguments are silly. But remember that only a few decades ago, the idea of 2 men getting married was equally ludicrous. (and some would maintain that it still is) And once you take the first step to redefine marriage from "1 man, 1 woman", each following step becomes shorter and shorter.
People who oppose gay marriage are generally called "homophobes". So for those of you that think that people who practice Polygamy, Bestiality, Pedophilia, or Necrophilia should be denied the right to marry, all I have to say is…
Polygaphobe.
Bestiaphobe.
Pedophobe
Necrophobe.
I mean, who the hell are you to judge somebody else’s “lifestyle” 
I really don't give a damn whether two faggots get married. (It does kinda bother me if the start adopting children because a lot of homosexuals are pedophiles... but that's another issue) But I think people need to think these things through a little more before they start tinkering with societal rules that have been with us since the dawn of time.
Random thought... Given that homosexual relationships are generally even more short-lived than their hetero counterparts, I suspect that the biggest lobby for gay marriages is divorce lawyers. |
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I agree totally with General Hein on this issue. While I am not in favor of making sodomy a crime, I do believe that marraige should stay between 1 man and 1 woman. Obviously, we can't see into peoples' bedrooms through telescreens, nor do we want to, but we can vouch for our comman morals in public and not give in to a vocal minority, especially when it goes against over two thousnad years of Judeo-Christain morality, which, like it or not, our legal system is based heavily on.
Also, what's with the mayor of San Francisco? He is a thoughtcriminal who is disobeying the law and must be reeducated by the Governator of California. 
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Ok Bren, let’s start with some level of agreement. You’re quite within your rights to believe homosexuality is wrong and to oppose gay marriage. I suspect that you, like me, have a stomach churning physical reaction to the sight of two hairy blokes kissing (actually, I find sight of two hairy women kissing rather more disturbing ) so, I’m not going to argue that homosexuality is right, but rather, that it is not a matter of right or wrong and I’m going to explain why I believe that a legal form of ‘marriage’ should be available to gay couples.
First though, let us look at some of your comments:
“homosexuality itself is wrong, but homosexuals that admit to others or themselves that they are attracted to the same sex, yet abstain from being sexually active or dating that person, are not wrong.”
So, according to you, a homosexual it only wrong sometimes? I suspect what you really object to is the act of sex between people of the same sex, to which I would ask; What business it that of yours?
“homosexuals do not further physically advance the human race by producing an offspring(s) with a mate of the opposite sex. This is important because, when a new child is born, it slowly speeds the evolutionary process in humans, which is important in our changing environment.”
By inference then, all relationships that fail to produce offspring would also be wrong. Rather hard on those couples who, by no fault of their own, cannot have children, is it not? You also condemn bi-sexuals and yet they can and do produce children. Again I suspect you object to the idea of what they do, not to the effect they have on mankind. As to the evolution reference, it could equally be argued that not having a child is also a part of the ‘evolutionary process’.
“Homosexuality is slowly killing the human race, and stunting its growth.”
Homosexuality has been written about for many millennia, it has been part of humanity since there has been humans. It hasn’t stopped the population reaching six billion and will not stop it reaching seven billion within a decade. The growth of the human race is far from stunted.
“if homosexuals are allowed to marry, it will be inevitable that pedophiles . . ."
You (and others here) seem to think there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia, this is patently untrue. While it is correct to say that some homosexuals are paedophiles, it is equally correct that some heterosexuals are paedophiles, so where is the linkage?
“. . .and other perverts will demand to have their rights to ‘marry’ their partners.”
The idea that extending the rights, granted to heterosexual couples, to gays would make paedophilia legal or allow anyone to marry their pets is absurd. 
“What must be understood, is that homosexuality is like a disease, it spreads, and kills. Not only does it slowly kill humanity, it was on[e] of the primary ‘incubation’ group for the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV).”
 Bren, you cannot catch homosexually, it is not a disease. The HI virus doesn’t select who it infects nor does it care how it infects. Globally HIV affects far more heterosexuals than homosexuals and (in the UK) it is most commonly spread by intravenous drug use.
Why do I think homosexuality is not a matter of right and wrong?
I draw a boundary around personal (sexual) behaviour, essentially around the concept of consent; consenting adults can get up to what ever they like with each other, as long as it does not affect others beyond the consenting group. Kids are always excluded from the consenting group, because they are below the legal ‘age of consent’*, animals are excluded because they cannot give their consent. I don’t (or at least I try not to) judge activity that falls within the boundary nor do I believe anyone else should, after all what business is it of mine or yours if someone wants to wear a rubber suit, be flayed with a whip, dress as woman/man or whatever turn them on, just because it’s not for me or you? Homosexuality, of the sort I’m defending here, falls within this boundary, it’s not for me but, hey, it doesn’t cause me any grief.
Why do I think there should be Gay marriages?
There are really two parts to a wedding, religious and civil. The religious blessing ceremony is always going to in the gift of a particular church and I my view is entirely up to them if they want to bless gay weddings or not. The civil part is different, it is the legal transference of kinship and, usually, the changing of a name. At the moment, straight (I hate this use of the word, but I’m fed up of typing H…) couples have the option of staying as two singles or to be treated legally as a couple. As I understand it, what gay people want is this legal coupling option. It’s important to them because prejudice often results in contested wills etc. and the courts will not recognise their partnerships. We are talking about TWO people who are making a commitment to stay together, what’s so wrong with that?
*In the UK the current age of consent is 16, personally I’d like to see this raised to the age of majority (18years) and a sliding scale of tariffs introduced based on age difference. ( I don’t mind my 15 year old niece having relationships with kids of her own age but, I don’t want someone much older sniffing around without fear of a prison sentence)
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| Uh in California, i beleive, the age of consent is 18. |
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| carldiesturmer wrote: |
the reason for the change of laws regarding the reduction of age of consent is to provide more recruits/casual partners to the gay pressure group.
Later on they'll pressure the lawmakers and the media to compel the age of consent further down. Fucking NIMBLA should die immediately of AIDS.
Sole purpose indulge itself in vice as sole reason d'etre.
Person should at least be 18 or 21 person must be able to least be able to sign contracts and be of formed character.
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| Bill wrote: |
“if homosexuals are allowed to marry, it will be inevitable that pedophiles . . ."
“. . .and other perverts will demand to have their rights to ‘marry’ their partners.”
The idea that extending the rights, granted to heterosexual couples, to gays would make pedophilia legal or allow anyone to marry their pets is absurd. |
No. It is not absurd.
If you went back to 1865 and told everybody that freeing the slaves would eventually lead to affirmative action, inter-racial marriage, and hate speech laws, they would think it absurd.
Society changes... one step at a time.
Pedophilia is a perversion... probably almost (if not more) prevalent than homosexuality. And while I doubt that sex with 4 year-olds will ever be legal, I could see the legal age of consent being pushed back a bit...
Is an 18-year old much more mature than a 17-year old?
Is an 17-year old much more mature than a 16-year old?
Is an 16-year old much more mature than a 15-year old?
I had sex with a 13-year old ....
... when I was 14. Does that make me a pedophile?
The shock and awe you display towards pedophilia is roughly the same shock and awe that people displayed towards homosexuals only a few decades ago. Who is to say what people 100 years from now will think?
Like some people say... If there's grass on the field...
Or like NAMBLA says...Sex by eight or it's too late
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[i]I had sex with a 13-year old ....
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Umm...
If you are joking, do not read any further. If you are being honest answer the following questions.
1. How long ago did this happen? [Fill in:_________________________]
2. Was it with a- Male[ ] Female[ ]
3. Were you married then? Yes[ ] No[ ] Hell No[ ] I was too young [ ]
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I hate to ruin this lovely comment, but I've been talking about this for weeks now on another board. http://forums.dragid.com/showthread.php?t=20539
Along with a few good friends of mine. Why dont we just let Mormons marry 13 women, I mean they love them all, and they have the right dont they? Why dont we let people marry animals if they love them so much? I mean they have equal rights to love whom they want to dont they? They're not even really getting married. Its an open unionship of two people to show there some how possible affection. no church, with the exception of the Catholic church perhapes, wouldnt marry Gays ever. If they do I think I would bomb thirteen abortion clinics, kill every priest I see, and then kill myself. If the church ever accepts Gay's then that would have to be the end of my belief in the Church. Also homosexuals arent even natural so why should these outcasts be able to marry?
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1. 17 years ago.
2. Female, of course
3. I was 14... and I don't live in Arkansas
4. I don't understand the question.
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| If you went back to 1865 and told everybody that freeing the slaves would eventually lead to affirmative action, inter-racial marriage, and hate speech laws, they would think it absurd. |
Freeing slaves didn't lead to affirmative action, universal suffrage lead to it (votes should be IQ tested ).
Interacial marriages had been common place (even in the US) long before the end (or indeed the begining) of slavery.
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No, that was my point about changing the legal protection* granted by the 'age of consent' to one based on age difference.
(*In the UK (for adults), sex with child below the age of 13 carries a manditory life sentance, yet bizzarely drops to just two years at 13. This has lead to paedophiles grooming kids until they are 13.)
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Paedophilia destroys the childhood and the lives of people, like murder, it never will be accepted by any decent society.
Homosexuality only affects those who wish to participate. If a gay rapes someone then they are tried and convicted by the law, just like anyone else.
You are trying to link homosexuality and paedophila as if they are equivalent perversions, clearly they are not ,else there would be no heterosexual paedophiles.
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If you go back a few centuries more you'll find that, in say Roman/Greek society, homosexually was accepted as normal.
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1. 17 years ago.
2. Female, of course
3. I was 14... and I don't live in Arkansas
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What is this apparent shock about having sex in High School? It isn't illegal yet, is it? |
Well i strongly holdfast to sex in a stable family unit. But thats just my ideals. I hope you used protection. |
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If you go back a few centuries more you'll find that, in say Roman/Greek society, homosexually was accepted as normal. |
And what about the rest of the world? Then again the United States is the modern Rome, so it will collapse sometime in the future. I cant think of very many places besides rome that did this, also most Romans were acceptable of homosexuality, most often with very young men of 14 and 16 if Im correct, lets nto forget they also loved a sport where they took their prisoners and made them fight to the death with impossible odds. So of course theres nothing wrong with the Roman empire. |
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The real question behind Homosexuality can be summed up in one sentence: Is sex for fun or for the Puritanical duty-to-the-party make-babies-only? The orgasm in the female seems an idication that sex is for fun too; after all, humans are the only race to demonize their natural instincts (except where warfare is concerned, then I'd prefer the honesty of dumb beasts). The orgasm has no reproductive purpose at all except perhaps as an incentive, but that should not be construed a reason to never use it.
I forget who said this, but the quote goes: "Homosexuality is God's way of making sure the truly gifted aren't burdoned with children."
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Let them marry and collect tax benefits. Who honestly gives a damn nowadays anyway? Marriage is a failing institution as it is. As I see it, if gay people marry, they cannot reproduce. There you have it, we all win. The gays get what they want, and our population doesn't rise.
To accuse a gay person of being "wrong" is stupid and infantile, it is also borderline homophobic. Hell I'm not even gay and I can tell you that. It would be the same as saying someone was wrong for being born albino or blind. The simple fact of the matter is that the majority of them cannot help the way they are.
@Hein: What you read about homosexuality acting as a population control device is probably correct. This would mean that it is not only a genetic function written into human DNA, but also an act of god and a necessary function of the human species to prolong it's own existence. It seems to me that even though you have made some very intelligent observations on the subject, you are still not open minded enough to accept them. Realizing gay people are out there walking among us doesn't mean we have to join thier ranks, nor does it mean we should fear being gang raped by feral gangs of them out in the streets. You simply live and let live. You don't have to condone it, but harboring animosity for gays just slows down your own personal evolution. Straight people are straight, gay folks are gay. Bi people exist, but half of it is a fad, and a sad one at that. The only way homosexuality could be viewed as wrong is when its imposed as normal on otherwise heterosexual human beings. When its made to look stylish and trendy it is wrong. When a little girl sees her favorite pop divas on MTV making out, its wrong. Because that image is placed in her mind as an alternative possibility in her development, possibly creating a self deluded, fake gay person. But could this not be the motive? To introduce more people to it in order stem the population in the long run somehow? I think so.
So what if our society has sunk to the level of Sodom and Gomorrah, nobody ever said we had to take part. Our job is to keep moving forward with our lives regardless of the things that don't immediately effect us, and never look back. If you choose to look back and dwell on what you feel is wrong and what you ultimately cannot change, you might find yourself turning into a miserable pillar of salt.*
*That statement is figurative. And by no means do I accept the bible as real or infallible.
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| Also, what's with the mayor of San Francisco? He is a thoughtcriminal who is disobeying the law and must be reeducated by the Governator of California. |
I agree with you Hein also. However I feel that it is a difficult situation. The Bible in many places (i.e.Romans 1) states that homosexuality is wrong but it also says in many places (i.e. Ephesians 4:32) to love each other. To God, this means don't discriminate against others. I feel that homosexuality is wrong, because I follow what God says. However, I would never persecute and make fun of homosexuals. I feel that homophobia is wrong. I think being afraid of someone is just like discrimination because you are putting them in a lower spot than yourself. However, many people feel not giving homosexuals the right to marry is discrimination. I feel it is not because God says it is wrong and if our country starts going against divine establishment and allowing gay/lesbian marriage than God will allow our nation to be disciplined. Also, like someone said on another forum, NO major religion supports gay marriage. I think that statement speaks for itself. Anyway, in response to Comrade O'Brian: I live in Seattle and our mayor, Mayor Greg Nickels has done the same thing as the mayor of San Fran. He has supported gay/lesbian marriages, which is illegal since it is against state and federal law.  bye
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*That statement is figurative. And by no means do I accept the bible as real or infallible. |
Were you scared that someone would respond to that statement and that is why you put it in small print??lol That's quite funny actually. Well, the bible is real and infallible, maybe you will figure that out in eternity. God wrote the Bible through faithful saints and the whole Bible is inspired by God.
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| I agree with you Hein also. However I feel that it is a difficult situation. The Bible in many places (i.e.Romans 1) states that homosexuality is wrong but it also says in many places (i.e. Ephesians 4:32) to love each other. |
True, but that means friendship and concern, not intemate love of everyone, cause thats imposible. |
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| Were you scared that someone would respond to that statement and that is why you put it in small print??lol |
HAHAHAHA no. Its just that I wasn't familiar with the size of the extra small print on these forums. I put that statement in so I didn't come off sounding like a self righteous bible-thumper like yourself. I assure you, I was merely covering my ass.
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Yeah, whatever you say. Maybe I'll learn all that in eternity, maybe my couch will sprout legs and wander off when I'm not looking.
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I prefer pot to the opiate of the masses thanks. From the sounds of it, it makes you a drooling DC Talk fan.
Fucking gimmick posters.
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| Freeing slaves didn't lead to affirmative action, universal suffrage lead to it (votes should be IQ tested ). Interracial marriages had been common place (even in the US) long before the end (or indeed the beginning) of slavery. |
Yes... but freeing the slaves was the first step. And if you would have told people back in 1864 about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the political correctness we now face, they probably would have told Lincoln to shove that emancipation proclamation up his ass. Northern soldiers did not fight to "free the slaves".
And, not to get off the subject, but I have never really understood how Lincoln justified his invasion of the South... and why so many Northerners were willing to go to war to keep the southern states in the US against their will. I suppose the North could make the case that the South "started it" by attacking first... but I think the blame falls on the North for not abandoning its southern forts.
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| No, that was my point about changing the legal protection* granted by the 'age of consent' to one based on age difference. (*In the UK (for adults), sex with child below the age of 13 carries a mandatory life sentence, yet bizarrely drops to just two years at 13. This has lead to paedophiles grooming kids until they are 13.) Paedophilia destroys the childhood and the lives of people, like murder, it never will be accepted by any decent society. Homosexuality only affects those who wish to participate. If a gay rapes someone then they are tried and convicted by the law, just like anyone else. |
Like I said... I don't think society will ever disintegrate to the point where sex with 4-year old children is acceptable. But I can see the legal age being pushed back a bit. I can understand the emotional scarring which occurs from a 35 year-old fucking a 6 year-old ... but I don't think and 18-year-old bedding a 15-year-old is quite the same thing.
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| You are trying to link homosexuality and paedophila as if they are equivalent perversions, clearly they are not ,else there would be no heterosexual paedophiles. If you go back a few centuries more you'll find that, in say Roman/Greek society, homosexually was accepted as normal. |
No... It is not the same thing. But 100 years ago both were shunned, and now homosexuality is accepted. 100 years ago there was no such thing as NAMBLA, and now there is. Who is to say how successful they will be in "reforming" our laws.
And yes... there have been homosexuals since the dawn of time. But even the Romans did not equate a homosexual relationship with a heterosexual one. It was just a fun way for soldiers to pass the time while they were in the field… and great fun at parties as well. But they never allowed them to marry and adopt children.
Random Thought: Homosexuality does not exist in other species, so I have to wonder... At exactly what point in human evolution did people decide to give it a go?
(And don't give that "gay monkey" story... A dominant Chimp may butt-fuck a smaller one on occasion ... but only to stake his claim as leader. He doesn't ejaculate during the encounter, so it is not the same thing.)
Mankind is bestowed with the knowledge of how to craft tools... and how to get off in another man's ass
I think this was the point South Park was trying to make by having a "Gay Lion" and other gay animals on the Big Gay Al episode. No such thing exists.
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Wouldn't that go against the desire to populate the world with more of us white folk? |
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Wouldn't that go against the desire to populate the world with more of us white folk? |
See you dont understand, I'm part black, part white, part native american, but I only define my race, as me, or sebecean(son of the stars). I beleive that we sound continue to reproduce, as long as sex is contained within the family unit, so future generation will hopfully learn morals and hard work ethics, as I was raised. |
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No, nor do I. I suspect we're not a million miles from agreement about paedophilia. What I'm not so sure about and what I don't understand, is why you believe the liberalisation of a law against one group (i.e. adult gay couples) should necessarily cause the same for others (i.e. NAMBLA) ?
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I had to do a web search for NAMBLA <fx:shakes head> - 'only in America' I've only read a little of what's on their site but, it does seem to show the unacceptable face of sexuality. I'm certainly not arguing in favour of preditory sexuality.
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You're probably right, so many things are unique to our (one) species but as the old saying goes 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence'.
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In my opinion this is one of the strongest arguments against homosexuality being a matter of choice. I can’t imagine ever wanting to try it with another bloke and I don't think that's just my rather conservative personal taste. |
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Unfortunately, _Julia_, God’s first draft seems to have been lost and the ‘faithful saints’ have proved fallible messengers. The Bible, Koran and all the other God inspired holy editions are full of inconsistencies and empty of proof, leaving them open to interpretation by those who would use them to their own end. |
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Before we get into a religious approach to why "gay is wrong," I want to ask:
Where is my gay apocalypse??
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What is "acceptable"? "Acceptable" is whatever society says it is.
I think that we should all support NAMBLA, in the name of diversity
NAMBLA: Coming to a campus near you!
(This article uses the word "pedophobia" ... and I thought I was the first to make that up  )
I don't believe homosexuality is "wrong". I just don't like when people claim that it is "genetic" and that gays have no choice in the matter. And while I don’t think government should regulate the private sexual relationships of its citizenry, I don’t think it should force other people to accept gay couples and punish people that think homosexuality is weird… because it is.
If you want to know what I really think...
Like I said before... no other species practices homosexuality. This doesn't make it wrong... just weird. It is the product of the fertile human mind, and the result of our own natural sexual instincts being oppressed.
I think the reason that homosexuality is an entirely human affair is that humans are the only species that voluntarily places restrictions on its own mating habits.
If a male dog passes a female dog on in the street, the will sniff each other's butts -- then go at it. The same goes other species as well. When they get the urge to screw, they go for it. But this is not the case for humans. If a human was to pass a member of the opposite sex on the street and begin sniffing her butt he would be slapped. If the person was actually successful at initiating sex, they would be arrested for rape and locked in a box.
As a result, the human sex drive is at all times kept under wraps. And it during these dry spells that the fertile human mind begins to entertain homosexuality, bestiality, and all the rest. If humans just would fuck more often, these perversions probably wouldn't exist. (except as a result of boredom, which I think is another purely human affair)
And I think other species are the same way. If you keep a dog locked up too long, he'll be more likely to hump your leg. If you stop a guy from fucking any female he wishes, he'll be more likely to stick in the first hole he sees.  (Is homosexuality more prevalent in prisons?... hell yes!)
But of course, humans are much more evolved than that. Our society is too advanced to allow for such behavior. Females can't just pump out offspring and walk away as if nothing happened. And therefore, society has created rules to govern our sexual behavior... and as a result society has figure out what to do people that find other means of release.
Personally, I'd rather just start fucking in the street. But maybe that's just me. 
So my opposition to gay marriage in not based on some notion of "right and wrong". It's just that our present system seems to be working just fine, and I see no reason to change it. The traditional family unit is already in decline, and I see no reason to hasten its demise.
You won't find me in the protest lines, but if the matter of gay marriage were put to a vote my checkmark would be in the "No" column.
P.S. - While we are on the subject of "unnatural" human sexual behaviors, I think we need to add "Monogamy" to that list. |
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Bill
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| I just don't like when people claim that it is "genetic" and that gays have no choice in the matter. |
Of course choice takes it’s part in this but, I’m sure there is a ‘wired’ component as well.
Take the case of sex changes (or to be PC, gender reassignment), particularly in older men, not the young one’s that could have had it done as a career move, but those that have lived with the kind of emotional turmoil that has forced them to take this drastic step. I really do not believe these people just wake up one day and say ‘call me Loretta’, there has got to be something in their head that drives them. Men are almost genetically identical to women*, gender assignment in the foetus, particularly for males, is tortuous and dependent on many different genes. It is likely that the brain’s gender wiring is equally convoluted. I’m sure there is a genetic constituent to all human behaviour, including sexual behaviour.
(*males have a reduced ironing gene whilst, the female has an almost nonexistent car-parking gene)
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| If a [hu]man was to pass a member of the opposite sex on the street and begin sniffing her butt he would be slapped. |
I bet that bastard Brad Pitt would get away with it 
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| Personally, I'd rather just start fucking in the street. But maybe that's just me. |
It'd make for some interesting road-kill |
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Big Brother
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| Politics: Libertarian-Syndicalist |
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| Bill wrote: |
| Take the case of sex changes (or to be PC, gender reassignment), |
I like that one. I'll hafta add it to the dictionary. |
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Bizarro
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| i think the government should stay out of morality issues like this. we don't legislate which church to attend, so why legislate what marriage is? gays should be able to marry. polygamists should be able to be polygamists. it doesn't concern me, so why should i care? there will always be homosexuals and there will always be heterosexuals, regardless of laws or norms. people have a right to declare their partner, even if children cannot be produced. |
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