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Posted: Sat 2009-08-15 15:58
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The Release of Squeaky Fromme
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I was interested by the pending (?) release of Fromme. I wrote about it yesterday as kind of a joking reference to celebrating the 40th anniversary of Woodstock by releasing Fromme.
But someone brought up the idea of what exactly was Fromme in prison for? The other day, supposedly, someone brought a gun to an Obama townhall meeting. (I didnt follow that story, so correct me if that wasnt the case).
Anyway, there was much uproar that there was no harm in bringing a gun. If that is the case, Fromme's crime is only marginally more serious. She brought a gun, only she also brandished it and pointed it at the president. She probably also dry fired it at the president. Fromme of course claimed she knew it was unloaded, having ejected the live round from the chamber at her home. If that is the case, Fromme's act was essentially an act of protest. She said she never imagined she would be arrested. Of course, she may be missing some items in her attic.
It isnt unreasonable to think Fromme had the skill and wherewithall to properly load the gun and shoot it if that was her desire.
Let's assume though that it WAS an act of protest. Not dissimilar to burning an effigy or holding a sign up. Except of course it is a little harder to brush off. This might make Fromme a political prisoner. Certainly society has the option of locking up people for extremist protesting which may endanger others. In and of itself, Fromme's sentence was actually pretty harsh. There is of course a huge difference between assaulting someone with a weapon and actually shooting them with it.
Fromme's act is nowhere as serious as Atkin's actions with Tate-LaBianca. Although it is possible her INTENT was the same.
If we unravel this a bit more and imagine that Fromme wasn't a Mansonite what do you imagine her penalty would have been? 15 years in a psyche ward?
Fromme is another victim of Manson, as they all were. You can't remove their crimes because of that fact, but it in some way should be mitigating. Certainly being a Mansonite doesnt mean your crimes are automatically more serious.
Fromme's been in Jail for almost 25 years, certainly more thank any other white person would have been for not shooting the president. I think.
I guess if she was a threat to the president, then any protester at a townhall meeting with a gun is also a threat, whether they have the opportunity to skin their wheelgun or not...
Post #59294
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Posted: Sun 2009-08-16 09:59
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Re: The Release of Squeaky Fromme
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Strelnikov wrote:
I was interested by the pending (?) release of Fromme. I wrote about it yesterday as kind of a joking reference to celebrating the 40th anniversary of Woodstock by releasing Fromme.
But someone brought up the idea of what exactly was Fromme in prison for? The other day, supposedly, someone brought a gun to an Obama townhall meeting. (I didnt follow that story, so correct me if that wasnt the case).
Anyway, there was much uproar that there was no harm in bringing a gun. If that is the case, Fromme's crime is only marginally more serious. She brought a gun, only she also brandished it and pointed it at the president. She probably also dry fired it at the president. Fromme of course claimed she knew it was unloaded, having ejected the live round from the chamber at her home. If that is the case, Fromme's act was essentially an act of protest. She said she never imagined she would be arrested. Of course, she may be missing some items in her attic.
It isnt unreasonable to think Fromme had the skill and wherewithall to properly load the gun and shoot it if that was her desire.
Let's assume though that it WAS an act of protest. Not dissimilar to burning an effigy or holding a sign up. Except of course it is a little harder to brush off. This might make Fromme a political prisoner. Certainly society has the option of locking up people for extremist protesting which may endanger others. In and of itself, Fromme's sentence was actually pretty harsh. There is of course a huge difference between assaulting someone with a weapon and actually shooting them with it.
Fromme's act is nowhere as serious as Atkin's actions with Tate-LaBianca. Although it is possible her INTENT was the same.
If we unravel this a bit more and imagine that Fromme wasn't a Mansonite what do you imagine her penalty would have been? 15 years in a psyche ward?
Fromme is another victim of Manson, as they all were. You can't remove their crimes because of that fact, but it in some way should be mitigating. Certainly being a Mansonite doesnt mean your crimes are automatically more serious.
Fromme's been in Jail for almost 25 years, certainly more thank any other white person would have been for not shooting the president. I think.
I guess if she was a threat to the president, then any protester at a townhall meeting with a gun is also a threat, whether they have the opportunity to skin their wheelgun or not...
I reserve the right to be wrong of course.
-Pasha
A person did bring a gun to the townhall-meeting with Obama. A LOADED gun. And from the interview of the man by Chris Matthews I watched on Msnbc.msn.com, he was incidentally a Ronnie (Ron Paul voter). Makes sense, since you'd be pretty stupid in the first place to bring a loaded gun to a public meeting the president is going to be at. The man is lucky he didn't stir a panic and get himself shot by the Secret Service. While the man himself after the fact might attest to not having the intention of killing anyone, you can't be stupid enough to expect the Secret Service or a government agency to assume peaceful intentions in regards to someone brandishing a weapon near the president.
I believe Americans have the right to own firearms. I'm conflicted on the restrictions in public a citizen should be subjected to concerning firearms, but that being said about the right, the issue is that you've got to be pretty brain-dead retarded to expect people to be totally calm and not suspect you're a nut if you've got a loaded firearm strapped to your jeans.
It's about using your sense of... well, common sense. There's nothing wrong with owning a gun if you're not a felon or otherwise dangerous or incompetent, but you've got to use discretion around other people. Wielding a gun and offending people is not the same as being gay in public and offending people. _________________
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Posted: Sun 2009-08-16 10:31
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Re: The Release of Squeaky Fromme
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Mephistopheles wrote:
Strelnikov wrote:
I was interested by the pending (?) release of Fromme. I wrote about it yesterday as kind of a joking reference to celebrating the 40th anniversary of Woodstock by releasing Fromme.
But someone brought up the idea of what exactly was Fromme in prison for? The other day, supposedly, someone brought a gun to an Obama townhall meeting. (I didnt follow that story, so correct me if that wasnt the case).
Anyway, there was much uproar that there was no harm in bringing a gun. If that is the case, Fromme's crime is only marginally more serious. She brought a gun, only she also brandished it and pointed it at the president. She probably also dry fired it at the president. Fromme of course claimed she knew it was unloaded, having ejected the live round from the chamber at her home. If that is the case, Fromme's act was essentially an act of protest. She said she never imagined she would be arrested. Of course, she may be missing some items in her attic.
It isnt unreasonable to think Fromme had the skill and wherewithall to properly load the gun and shoot it if that was her desire.
Let's assume though that it WAS an act of protest. Not dissimilar to burning an effigy or holding a sign up. Except of course it is a little harder to brush off. This might make Fromme a political prisoner. Certainly society has the option of locking up people for extremist protesting which may endanger others. In and of itself, Fromme's sentence was actually pretty harsh. There is of course a huge difference between assaulting someone with a weapon and actually shooting them with it.
Fromme's act is nowhere as serious as Atkin's actions with Tate-LaBianca. Although it is possible her INTENT was the same.
If we unravel this a bit more and imagine that Fromme wasn't a Mansonite what do you imagine her penalty would have been? 15 years in a psyche ward?
Fromme is another victim of Manson, as they all were. You can't remove their crimes because of that fact, but it in some way should be mitigating. Certainly being a Mansonite doesnt mean your crimes are automatically more serious.
Fromme's been in Jail for almost 25 years, certainly more thank any other white person would have been for not shooting the president. I think.
I guess if she was a threat to the president, then any protester at a townhall meeting with a gun is also a threat, whether they have the opportunity to skin their wheelgun or not...
I reserve the right to be wrong of course.
-Pasha
A person did bring a gun to the townhall-meeting with Obama. A LOADED gun. And from the interview of the man by Chris Matthews I watched on Msnbc.msn.com, he was incidentally a Ronnie (Ron Paul voter). Makes sense, since you'd be pretty stupid in the first place to bring a loaded gun to a public meeting the president is going to be at. The man is lucky he didn't stir a panic and get himself shot by the Secret Service. While the man himself after the fact might attest to not having the intention of killing anyone, you can't be stupid enough to expect the Secret Service or a government agency to assume peaceful intentions in regards to someone brandishing a weapon near the president.
I believe Americans have the right to own firearms. I'm conflicted on the restrictions in public a citizen should be subjected to concerning firearms, but that being said about the right, the issue is that you've got to be pretty brain-dead retarded to expect people to be totally calm and not suspect you're a nut if you've got a loaded firearm strapped to your jeans.
It's about using your sense of... well, common sense. There's nothing wrong with owning a gun if you're not a felon or otherwise dangerous or incompetent, but you've got to use discretion around other people. Wielding a gun and offending people is not the same as being gay in public and offending people.
Back to the Schizo-spambotting meph, you know this is verbal sewage coming out of your schizomind into your fingers and output into the post, pretty tedious reading, as we know the the Real Reason as to why you do it. _________________
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Post #59296
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Posted: Mon 2009-08-17 15:53
Politics: Anarcho-socialist
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Re: The Release of Squeaky Fromme
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Mephistopheles wrote:
It's about using your sense of... well, common sense. There's nothing wrong with owning a gun if you're not a felon or otherwise dangerous or incompetent, but you've got to use discretion around other people. Wielding a gun and offending people is not the same as being gay in public and offending people.
Yes, we are definitely in that scale of offending, scaring, threatening and just outlandishly crazy. Two places you dont bring guns, unless you work there and it is part of your job, are: The Airport, and Anyplace the president is....
I knew a guy who worked for the FAA who was responding to an incident at the airport. His job had nothing to do with security/enforcement, but he had his PERSONAL, concealed carry weapon with him as he ran through the metal detectors and on to the scene. Needless to say, he never made it as he was detained.
I also remember as a youngster in the late 60s being in a tire store with the old man when a farmer walked in with his six shooter strapped to his leg. While it seemed pretty cool, it was also a bit scary. Needless to say, it left an impression.
Fromme was lucky she didnt get the instant death penalty from the Sec Svc at the time. I think anyone else going near the president armed also is increasing the likelihood they will end their days in a shoot out with Federal agents....
In the case of the Presidential Town Hall, the intent may well have been to create an issue with private ownership and concealed carry. What people fail to understand is doing weird scary things HURTS their cause, it doesnt help it.
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