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Winston the third
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am i the last man in europe? Before I leave oceania to eurasia, is there anyone real there?
there are a
Socrates begins his presentation by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heads are also fixed, compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them. Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which puppets of various animals, plants, and other things are moved. The puppets cast shadows on the wall, and the prisoners watch these shadows. There are also echoes off the wall from the noise produced from the walkway.
Socrates asks if it isn't reasonable that the prisoners would take the shadows to be real things and the echoes to be real sounds, not just reflections of reality, since they are all they had ever seen? Wouldn't they praise as clever whoever could best guess which shadow would come next, as someone who understood the nature of the world? And wouldn't the whole of their society depend on the shadows on the wall?
[edit] Release from the cave
Socrates next introduces something new to this scenario. Suppose that a prisoner is freed and permitted to stand up (Socrates does not specify how). If someone were to show him the things that had cast the shadows, he would not recognize them for what they were and could not name them; he would believe the shadows on the wall to be more real than what he sees.
Suppose further, Socrates says, that the man were compelled to look at the fire: wouldn't he be struck blind and try to turn his gaze back toward the shadows, as toward what he can see clearly and hold to be real? What if someone forcibly dragged such a man upward, out of the cave: wouldn't the man be angry at the one doing this to him? And if dragged all the way out into the sunlight, wouldn't he be distressed and unable to see "even one of the things now said to be true," viz. the shadows on the wall (516a)?
After some time on the surface, however, Socrates suggests that the freed prisoner would acclimate. He would see more and more things around him, until he could look upon the sun. He would understand that the sun is the "source of the seasons and the years, and is the steward of all things in the visible place, and is in a certain way the cause of all those things he and his companions had been seeing" (516b–c). (See also Plato's metaphor of the sun, which occurs near the end of The Republic, Book VI)[1]
Chapter I
Ignorance is Strength
Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.
The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable.
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-22 04:43
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am i the last man in europe? Before I leave oceania to eurasia, is there anyone real there?
there are a
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Socrates begins his presentation by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heads are also fixed, compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them.
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The proper way to quote wikipeida...
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Inside the cave
Socrates begins his presentation by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heads are also fixed, compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them.
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-22 20:48
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huh Huh
Well I was thinking of bailing this place becasue people are caught up in how you quote wiki and how you spell here and ignore what you're saying. So the comparison of me being on the border about to leave this place
Please tell me that you know what the last man in europe is. The last man in europe was the original title to 1984 by eric arthur blair, george's real name. I know, I should use capital letters for names.
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Posted: Sun 2008-11-23 01:16
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So, he starts by making a fragmentary asking whether he should stay, then he plagiarizes Wikipedia, and then plagiarizes a paragraph of Goldstein's book. Huh? I can't get his disjointedness of your post. I hope that he ends up a relatively normal member in spite of flaming, like Comrade Alex.
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Posted: Sun 2008-11-23 03:57
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I forgot to say wiki I apologize it was obvious though to you intelligent people that I was quoting litery works in the literary section one sourced from net friendly wiki.
astounding that even though I did not write wiki you were still able to tell it was a quote - caus e it was obviously a quote, in the literary section, comparing two works of art, both, figures should know clearly and easily.
you are kook clockwork orange.
u r horrowshow at being millicent of words, but drunk at the milk bar when it comes to anything with a point and you run those same stupid quotes from two jokes. Tey are played out and I only seen u twice. tink of sometin or try new.
The last man in europe has left the cave.
Good tidings
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Posted: Mon 2008-11-24 22:06
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I think we just got trolled. At least we didn't get rickrolled at the same time.
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Posted: Tue 2008-11-25 02:57
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| anyhow have 'Patriot' Missile from Kentucky |
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| I think we just got trolled. At least we didn't get rickrolled at the same time. |
I'm not convinced; I googled his book title after he came here, and I found a note on what appears to be a 9/11 conspiracy website... http://www.waronfreedom.org/ concerning his book coming out at the very bottom of the webpage, but no further information beyond the extreme basics that it is indeed a book. It says written by "Ethan", though, not a full name, even if it is a pen-name. |
Conspiracy literature goes to fund the southern red neck paramilitary groups by softening up the audience to paranoid ideas about the UN, The Federal Government and the Great Christian Rapture blah-blah-blah.
Very obvious when writers use the word 'patriot'....duh! 
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Posted: Tue 2008-11-25 03:07
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| I think we just got trolled. At least we didn't get rickrolled at the same time. |
I'm not convinced; I googled his book title after he came here, and I found a note on what appears to be a 9/11 conspiracy website... http://www.waronfreedom.org/ concerning his book coming out at the very bottom of the webpage, but no further information beyond the extreme basics that it is indeed a book. It says written by "Ethan", though, not a full name, even if it is a pen-name. |
It is called viral marketing schizonumbnuts.
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Posted: Tue 2009-05-26 20:12
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So to conclude Winston the Third's legacy; he came to the page, misquoted wikipedia, made no valid points, offended the brilliant movie of Clockwork Orange. He then proceeded to say that;
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Implying that he is Winston from 1984 (as his name suggests), and also that he has "left the cave", meaning the website. This ties in with his mentions that we are extremely institutionalized. I figure that this means he is a conspiracy theorist who thinks that he is the only unique person in the world (last man in europe), and that because of the fact that most of us have a different idea of life, we are part of the institution designed to keep him from accomplishing whatever he thinks hes doing. Much as I hate stupid internet faces I feel this deserves a showing: 
We may be institutionalized, but he's in a mental asylum.
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Posted: Wed 2009-05-27 05:41
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you guys seem to have problems spotting lunacy when posted online.....how sad...
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Posted: Wed 2009-05-27 05:54
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I forgot to say wiki I apologize it was obvious though to you intelligent people that I was quoting litery works in the literary section one sourced from net friendly wiki.
astounding that even though I did not write wiki you were still able to tell it was a quote - caus e it was obviously a quote, in the literary section, comparing two works of art, both, figures should know clearly and easily.
you are kook clockwork orange.
u r horrowshow at being millicent of words, but drunk at the milk bar when it comes to anything with a point and you run those same stupid quotes from two jokes. Tey are played out and I only seen u twice. tink of sometin or try new.
The last man in europe has left the cave.
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....and appaling spelling...SMS junkie?
He's been dispensed a verbal hiding and unfrocking already, tolerance and patience are not longer virtues to possess but weaknesses in this cruel world.
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Posted: Thu 2009-05-28 19:40
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I really see no need in these troll type people. Seems a shameless plug from my perspective. Did he say when he was finally going to publish it? And who is the publisher?
Whoever the publisher is, by his perspective, the publisher is a patriot because patriots distribute information. I think he's an elitist because he has misused the information he has and not told us where he has got it or what it's from. All he did was succeeded in coaxing carldiesturmer into a conversation about how patriot means idiot southerner.
In any case, his point could be clearer.
NOTE: What is ogliarchal collectivism?
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Posted: Thu 2009-05-28 20:02
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Winston returns to the cave.
I asked 'am I the last man' in reference to 1984 adn as a way to verbally bite back as I was being attacked. A debated title of 1984 was 'the last man in europe'. I was attacked for my writing and information sourcing immediately so I continued to expand on poor gammar as another way to say screw you. And yes I see you as conformist and institutionalized little bitches. Not becasue you attack my ideas, debate betters thought, I appreciate alternative ideas wherever they might arise, but becasue you attack me personally on levels I find funny.
I am pleased to be called an elitist for that means you identify with the idea about the four types of people in the world. Naturally, one recognizes real. Thanks for the compliment.
What is oligarchical collectivism? Here is article Ethan wrote published on opednews.com entitled oil-garchical collectivism which addresses the your question.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/print_friendly.php?p=Oil-garchical-Collectivism-by-Ethan-Indi-090506-490.html
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Posted: Fri 2009-05-29 03:22
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Winston returns to the cave.
I asked 'am I the last man' in reference to 1984 adn as a way to verbally bite back as I was being attacked. A debated title of 1984 was 'the last man in europe'. I was attacked for my writing and information sourcing immediately so I continued to expand on poor gammar as another way to say screw you. And yes I see you as conformist and institutionalized little bitches. Not becasue you attack my ideas, debate betters thought, I appreciate alternative ideas wherever they might arise, but becasue you attack me personally on levels I find funny.
I am pleased to be called an elitist for that means you identify with the idea about the four types of people in the world. Naturally, one recognizes real. Thanks for the compliment.
What is oligarchical collectivism? Here is article Ethan wrote published on opednews.com entitled oil-garchical collectivism which addresses the your question. |
You're worst than a mentally ill fucking parrot, go back to your fucking cave BATMAN! 
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| slymonkeyinc20 wrote: |
I really see no need in these troll type people. Seems a shameless plug from my perspective. Did he say when he was finally going to publish it? And who is the publisher?
Whoever the publisher is, by his perspective, the publisher is a patriot because patriots distribute information. I think he's an elitist because he has misused the information he has and not told us where he has got it or what it's from. All he did was succeeded in coaxing carldiesturmer into a conversation about how patriot means idiot southerner.
In any case, his point could be clearer.
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What not you too with the parrot staff?!
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Winston returns to the cave.
I asked 'am I the last man' in reference to 1984 adn as a way to verbally bite back as I was being attacked. A debated title of 1984 was 'the last man in europe'. I was attacked for my writing and information sourcing immediately so I continued to expand on poor gammar as another way to say screw you. And yes I see you as conformist and institutionalized little bitches. Not becasue you attack my ideas, debate betters thought, I appreciate alternative ideas wherever they might arise, but becasue you attack me personally on levels I find funny.
I am pleased to be called an elitist for that means you identify with the idea about the four types of people in the world. Naturally, one recognizes real. Thanks for the compliment.
What is oligarchical collectivism?
Here is article Ethan wrote published on opednews.com entitled oil-garchical collectivism which addresses the your question.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/print_friendly.php?p=Oil-garchical-Collectivism-by-Ethan-Indi-090506-490.html |
Let's have a look..
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Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles/Oil-garchical-Collectivism-by-Ethan-Indi-090506-490.html
May 10, 2009
Oil-garchical Collectivism
By Ethan Indi*
The elimination of multiple, colorful descriptions simplifies interpretation and encloses imagination. Accurate language expands ideas, while euphemistic descriptions and total distortions eliminate alternative perspective. When language expands, imagination and creativity do too, when language contracts, so does creative and alternative thinking.
Such diabolical elimination of language was a major theme in George Orwell’s “1984”. In the story there is a rapidly shrinking dictionary and proud workers who seek to eliminate words whenever possible. One can infer from the story that eventually their language might be made up of hundred of so commands and responses. Language and vocabulary broaden mental horizons and conceptuality, which in turn enables people to better and broaden their real horizons and physicality.
In the story of “1984” there is the incredibly shrinking dictionary, in reality there are often incredibly restrictive informative authorities that eliminate some phrases and spawn others. One of the most recent restrictions in language is seen in the labeling of swine flu. Swine flu is now officially called H1N1 influenza, some suggested the Novel virus, but H1N1 is the official accepted label. The term swine flu hurt the pork industry so much that they pushed for a name change and got it.
The fact that the swine industry hurts people more than any label could hurt the swine industry is omitted. Viruses are complicated, however various scientists have stated that contained animal feeding operations where most pork arrives from, are like incubators for infectious disease. Waste from factory farms kills people, fish, fauna, and destroys whole environments as a toxic and pathogenic sludge. Workers at such locations are faced with life threatening conditions, as well as people in communities surrounding such feeding operations. Such facts are irrelevant; the continuation of the flow of money from pork is the only consideration in the adjustment of language.
Coinciding with the renaming of swine flu was another thought restricting presentation of language. The problem was the swine flu virus, the solution was anti viral medication available from pharmaceutical manufacturers. PF
The presentation lacked the notion and information that other anti viral substances exist. There are many powerful foods for instance with powerful anti viral properties that might also stave off influenza just as effectively as the pharmaceutical concoctions. Substances with anti viral properties are not limited to tamiflu.
Both the pork industry and the pharmaceutical industry share a common trait aside from often misleading presentation and active restriction of language and creative notions. Both industries are based on a pyramidal system of distribution, where the few deliver commodity to the many. Pyramidal corporations seek practical monopolization of their market whether bacon or medicine, seemingly without consideration to the consequences to the majority.
Such misrepresentation through language and monopolization of manufacturing is akin to the gloomy, yet insightful story of “1984”. In the story an infrequently used term is coined to describe these conditions; oligarchical collectivism. This expression doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue, and might be considered doublethink at first, but it is not a contradiction in terms. It is a specific description that sounds like a confusing expression.
An oligarchy is a government or institutional system of the few over the many. A pyramid or triangle best depicts the oligarchic idea and oil corporations best display oligarchical control, or the similar oil-garchic control. They extract, refine and deliver a limited resource in oligarchical fashion. Collectivism is an equal assembly of like formations. When oligarchic institutions equally assemble, they gather into larger interdependent pyramidal formations.
Oil corporations not only control a limited resource which is largely replaceable by simple agricultural material, but they also integrate and collectivize other institutions into their system. Oil corporations are so successful at this integration that the entire world relies on their product. Oil corporations control the limited resource, accessible in a limited number of areas. The prevalence of petroleum based energy consumption has made industrial production, agricultural fertilization and entirety dependent exclusively on oil.
Oil’s prominence and practical monopoly eliminates the notion of alternative facilitation. Despite the fact that petroleum products are replaceable by quantifiably equal and superior sources, these alternatives are unexplored and mostly unknown. Because of oil-garchical collectivism, alternatives to petroleum, no matter how traditional or sensible, are left unconsidered. Oil itself is a euphemism, describing a product from olives and Exxon. Alternatives to “conventional” industrial, agricultural, economical concepts are ignored and belittled.
Accurate and institutionally inconsiderate descriptions like swine flu and oligarchical collectivism are shunned and belittled by institutions where presentation is more important than getting at the truth, no matter the description.*
When institutions are concerned about maintaining the status quo, as opposed to developing the truth, labels and names are changed, euphemisms are developed and words are eliminated.
The creation of multiple and colorful descriptions enables wide interpretation, hopefully inspires communication and ultimately contributes to accurate conclusion.
Oligarchical collectivism is an arrangement of pyramidal institutions.
All oligarchic institutions restrict and distort information with as little as wording and as much as total elimination of alternative.PP
No matter what anybody else tells you, words and ideas can change the world.
~Robin Williams in the film “Dead Poets Society”
Author's Bio:
I am here shamelessly promoting my book written in attempts to inspire people to question.$$$$
I wrote The Complete Parrot's Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism: Its Theory and Practice. I love fair trade, free speech and liberty.
I am not republican or democrat, conservative or liberal, I am an individual from the U.S.A. questioning reality.**
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$$$$ You and the reference review seem to be ONE AND THE SAME GUYS with another alias lifted from yet another site, nice try Jeff Grupp...SO YOU ARE DELIBERATELY SPAMMING THE NS FORUM thanks for the disclosure...paranoid fuckwit....heard it before I pressume....
* that's called delirium of persecution, what's next shingles are caused by it too?
** Of course you're questioning reality you are a loonie, want mephistopheles address and keep him company, he believes in paranoid conspiracies of persecution and control.
PF: paranoid fuckwit rant, paranoids concoct bizarre plots out pretty ordinary stuff, but hey dear Jeff you are a nutcase, try Mephistopheles's medication, it can help you, but your's is far more advanced than his, meaning you're far older than him, see that's what you get from reading Old South's Redneck Diatribes about Conspiratorial Central Government-GARBAGE IN-GARBAGE OUT, loons have plenty of material to go unnoticed till ONE DAY....
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Both the pork industry and the pharmaceutical industry share a common trait aside from often misleading presentation and active restriction of language and creative notions. Both industries are based on a pyramidal system of distribution, where the few deliver commodity to the many.
Pyramidal corporations seek practical monopolization of their market whether bacon or medicine, seemingly without consideration to the consequences to the majority. |
more paranoia thoughts, such is your imagination paranoid brains, I believe you sell herbal medicines and other crap to dollarize your paranoia in the Speaker Circuit, so HOW FAR DOES IT GO JEFF GRUPP?
I hope you find this useful Jeff Grupp
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Use in psychiatry
More recently[1], the clinical use of the term has been used to describe delusions where the affected person believes they are being persecuted. Specifically, they have been defined as containing two central elements:
1. The individual thinks that harm is occurring, or is going to occur, to him or her.
2. The individual thinks that the persecutor has the intention to cause harm.
Paranoia is often associated with psychotic illnesses, sometimes schizophrenia, although attenuated features may be present in other primarily non-psychotic diagnoses, such as paranoid personality disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder. Paranoia can also be a side effect of medication or recreational drugs such as marijuana and particularly stimulants such as methamphetamine and crack cocaine. In the unrestricted use of the term, common paranoid delusions can include the belief that the person is being followed, poisoned or loved at a distance (often by a media figure or important person, a delusion known as erotomania or de Clerambault syndrome). Other common paranoid delusions include the belief that the person has an imaginary disease or parasitic Infestation (delusional parasitosis); that the person is on a special quest or has been chosen by God; that the person has had thoughts inserted or removed from conscious thought; or that the person's actions are being controlled by an external force. Therefore, in common usage, the term paranoid addresses a range of mental conditions, assumed by the use of the term to be of psychiatric origin, in which the subject is seen to generalize or project fears and anxieties onto the external world, particularly in the form of organized behavior focused on them. The syndrome is applied equally to powerful people like executives obsessed with takeover bids or political leaders convinced of plots against them, and to common people who believe for instance that shadowy agencies are operating against them.
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The term paranoia was used to describe a mental illness in which a delusional belief is the sole or most prominent feature. In his original attempt at classifying different forms of mental illness, Kraepelin used the term pure paranoia to describe a condition where a delusion was present, but without any apparent deterioration in intellectual abilities and without any of the other features of dementia praecox, the condition later renamed schizophrenia. Notably, in his definition, the belief does not have to be persecutory to be classified as paranoid, so any number of delusional beliefs can be classified as paranoia. For example, a person who has the sole delusional belief that they are an important religious figure would be classified by Kraepelin as having 'pure paranoia'. Even at the present time, a delusion need not be suspicious or fearful to be classified as paranoid. A person might be diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic without delusions of persecution, simply because their delusions refer mainly to themselves, such as believing they are a CIA agent or a famous member of royalty. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia
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Posted: Fri 2009-05-29 17:02
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Yo. I ain't on no team and I am Ethan. I beleive the prof has multiple titles published. Why would he or I in your paranoid eyes, use a different name? I think that dude is English as well, not a southerner. Ahh but perhaps since civil war this has been in the works. Yes that's it and it is being backed by herbal medication profits. yes, you are brilliant.
You calling me paranoid while at the same time making the paranoid assumptions that you do is kind of alarming. If you were a considerate person I would be concerned for your mental well being based on your emotions and absurd logic. You are the paranoid one kook. Herbal medications? $$$$? You are way off b.
Dead up, J grupp would need a translator to write the slang I wrote on tis site. Just as you did not understand it at all. I am amused by you insistin that I am the mad proffessor, when before I was a redneck southerner, and then street punk or whatever you termed, but you are insulting and paranoid and this is highly unproductive. I remember why I bailed this site, despite liking the idea of it, you.
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Posted: Fri 2009-05-29 18:17
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| Winston the third wrote: |
Yo. I ain't on no team and I am Ethan. (0)
I beleive the prof has multiple titles published. (0.5)
Why would he or I in your paranoid eyes, use a different name? (1)
I think that dude is English as well, not a southerner. (1.5)
Ahh but perhaps since civil war this has been in the works. (2.5)
Yes that's it and it is being backed by herbal medication profits.(2.0)
yes, you are brilliant.
You calling me paranoid while at the same time making the paranoid assumptions that you do is kind of alarming. (2.6)
If you were a considerate person I would be concerned for your mental well being based on your emotions and absurd logic. (2.7)
You are the paranoid one kook ** (2.8).
Herbal medications? $$$$? You are way off b.(2.9)
Dead up, J grupp would need a translator to write the slang I wrote on tis site (3.0).
Just as you did not understand it at all (3.1).
I am amused by you insistin that I am the mad proffessor, when before I was a redneck southerner, and then street punk or whatever you termed, but you are insulting and paranoid and this is highly unproductive (3.2).
I remember why I bailed this site, despite liking the idea of it, you *. |
As it said in the quoted text "SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION" now get over your gimmick about your cave and conspiratorial view of reality because it is a complete absurdity, more over how does Ethan give a review of a books that's NOT EVEN PUBLISHED, meaning he hasn't seen/read it! Got a straight answer that's not a song and dance about it? Can't answer that right, change the topic quickly....hurry!!
So be honest dickhead, you think you can fool the Forum, you are fooling yourself for spamming the forum based on this belief, stupid dumbfuck, think again before claiming authorship about a book that does not even exist and seek to write a review about it to deceive forum readers.
Yeah '' Prof " dude, he writes a like a southern paranoid loon, contrary to his academic, title... like Col Sanders, must be Honorary Title too eh...makes me look respectable among the peasants ...bwahahahah
(0) So posting under different aliases, you must be a paranoid twerp, and giving the appearance of having reviewed from someone else too, deceitful behavior but why? Is it the paranoia driving you crazy?
(0.5) you believe anything, where is the proof for that assertion, is it the same sludge, have you seen any of it at all?
(1) writing paranoid crap indeed, you're the loonie you can't tell the difference, that's why.
* bailed? I didn't notice it, I don't care either, you write crap.
** Fancy that the Kook who writes paranoid rantings calling those who question his non-concensus view of reality a Kook, think we are weak or something here, oh what a paranoid fuckwit, you know your reality is either black and white....that's the giveaway.
(1.5) You 'think', doesn't lend one iota of fact to, English and Southerner, doesn't give a nationality, like to play the banjo to typical redneck patriot literary rantings. Any more angling 'non-answers'?
(2.0) Yeah and you don't have any medical tests to prove they work, and the assertions come from someone who has a paranoid belief in Reality and Conspiratorial Intent, that's what can called sane.
(2.5) Herbals, so why go out of the way to attack chem industry, there is a conflict of interest in selling against the competition. Poor advertising copy too.
(2.6) Nice turn around in blaming me for it, but I haven't written the diatribe about Reality and the Conspiracy, so you are saying I am guilty of what you're effectively doing and deliberately spamming the forum to promote about a 'non-book' you haven't read either, why so much so effort? Either way you sound like a loonie and a dishonest fuckhead.
(2.7) Nice try but YOU ARE the one making the ridiculous assertions about Reality and the rest of the review....as per your referenced link above, still no book though, so you have a hyperactive imagination I take. Keep the turn-arounds coming ...
(2.8)Next one arrive. Have you read your assertions in the reference link you provided? Figures 'everyone' is paranoid, save for you...right....the only one to know the Real Reality......bwahahahaha.
(2.9) what!!! You're not giving freebie samples to test if they ACTUALLY WORK? Shame, can't expose your old Snake Oil, saleman, Hohohohoh.
(3.0) Confusing poorly written english with slang makes you look like an imbecile, don't you know the difference? And you can't even spell right, that makes you look like a fuckwit at your age, keep angling away in the conversation, I know what you are doing by now. Older but none the wiser....stupid idiot...
(3.1) What's to understand?
That you are a paranoid arsehole spammer who admitted to spamming on purpose and don't want to be disturbed on his spamming of the forum too right you fucking paranoid quack who sells 'herbal remedies', tell me you try them too?
(3.2) It is fun playing with different aliases but the same personality comes out, think you can escape yourself by writing under different aliases in the internet with a couple of nuances thrown in? Remember you are the one making the paranoid commentaries in the referenced link you provided, own up to your own material you are promoting, dickhead. I reproduced here in case you memory ' fails you '
| Jeff/Winston the Third/Ethan wrote: |
Author's Bio:****
I am here shamelessly promoting my book written in attempts to inspire people to question |
**** It is not a 'bios' to state your purpose, why the poor english usage 'Ethan'? Is your book written in the same poor style too, oops I forgot you made up the whole thing about the book, it does not even exist, you didn't review it -it is a puff piece promo, but you claimed authorship, it is neither published, or submitted for download, isn't it simply to have reason to post and sell the herbal medicines passing for a Orwell-themed literary piece.....THIS IS VERY DISHONEST, YOU LIED THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING!.
Just because you googled the keywords Orwell, 1984, Oligarchical Collectivism to find a sucker audience and market for your paranoidacal titled non-existent book and quack herbal remedies, and have fun Jeff with your guerrilla advertising campaign for FREE, however you're spamming the forum with your 'patriot' diatribe, now how honest is that, it is $$$ dollars isn't it? alpineethan@gmail.com, Your poor punctuation tells me you didn't finish High School either....so you want free advertising out of the "Orwell/1984 Forum, sorry we already have Mephi the loonie schizo occupying your place here, and that's enough for any forum. You STUPID QUACK! GET BACK INTO FUCKING CAVE now if you don't mind, JUST FUCK OFF!!! You're full of shit "KOOK"
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Posted: Fri 2009-05-29 19:31
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| Winston the third wrote: |
Winston returns to the cave.
I asked 'am I the last man' in reference to 1984 adn as a way to verbally bite back as I was being attacked. A debated title of 1984 was 'the last man in europe'. I was attacked for my writing and information sourcing immediately so I continued to expand on poor gammar as another way to say screw you. And yes I see you as conformist and institutionalized little bitches. Not becasue you attack my ideas, debate betters thought, I appreciate alternative ideas wherever they might arise, but becasue you attack me personally on levels I find funny.
I am pleased to be called an elitist for that means you identify with the idea about the four types of people in the world. Naturally, one recognizes real. Thanks for the compliment.
What is oligarchical collectivism? Here is article Ethan wrote published on opednews.com entitled oil-garchical collectivism which addresses the your question.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/print_friendly.php?p=Oil-garchical-Collectivism-by-Ethan-Indi-090506-490.html |
Why are you referring to yourself in third person, is it to give the impression it is a Bona Fide "review" for suckers to buy?
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Posted: Sat 2009-05-30 14:55
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I did that to make mess with your paranoia. I see you finally stepped up and updated site, by removing topic from top threads, good show. You only insult me, a nobody named Ethan, and not my ideas. Did I get on this site with fake backup to compliment me? You accusing me of complimenting myself is hysterical.
Let me be real clear. I used Winston the third on this site becasue site is a joke. I used Ethan indi on opednews because I was required a last name. You know what else requires last name? You know the origins of surnames? Why would professor use Ethan as penname? I never knew who dude was until you accused me of being him, believe me I was blessed with much better hair.
I hope you someday see how terribly typical you are. You are stuck on a mentality of attack and accuse. I wish there were prose to help you with that and thanks for the compliment saying I write like jeffrock on opednews oil-garchical collectivism article, he had at least one article that was totally eloquent himself.
Good luck with your delusions
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Posted: Sat 2009-05-30 15:40
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| Ethan- the patriot mind:Paranoid twerp |
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| Winston the third wrote: |
I did that to make mess with your paranoia. (1)
I see you finally stepped up and updated site, by removing topic from top threads, good show.
You only insult me, a nobody named Ethan, and not my ideas. (2)
Did I get on this site with fake backup to compliment me? You accusing me of complimenting myself is hysterical. *
Let me be real clear.
I used Winston the third on this site becasue site is a joke.**
I used Ethan indi on opednews because I was required a last name. You know what else requires last name? ***
You know the origins of surnames? Why would professor use Ethan as penname? ****
I never knew who dude was until you accused me of being him, believe me I was blessed with much better hair. *****
I hope you someday see how terribly typical you are. You are stuck on a mentality of attack and accuse. ******
I wish there were prose to help you with that and thanks for the compliment saying I write like jeffrock on opednews oil-garchical collectivism article, he had at least one article that was totally eloquent himself.*******
Good luck with your delusions ******** |
(1) why accusse me of what you have amply shown to be doing yourself as per your writings, do you think it's gonna stick or something? You read yourself into people...hey big chip on the shoulder...
(2) so now you're saying you made it all up....you have a passion for e-dramatics not withstanding -an A for effort in the NS Forum I say.
But moving on you owned up to it (writing the puff 'review') of a book you haven't read and you said were up to spam the forum on purpose, which you did by posting multiple threads on the exact topic matter.
* You gave yourself a self-review, it speaks for itself as posted.
** why post at all then? Because you're an idiot I think right!
*** too much hassle not giving a real name even for such pedestrian effort in voluminous conjectural paranoid puffery.
**** Should I give a shit in the first place with your multiple aliases?
***** You must know him well, is it a toupe every morning in front of the mirror..
****** you don't even know me you fuckwit, I am just being critical at your posts, not being a gullible you wish as easy prey.
******* But where, more conjectural use of paranoid outpourings from your mentally-ill brain?
******** You wish bitch!
= As with the other 'intellectuals' here, you could use a dose of Honesty for your medicinal purposes, trust me it neither hurts or kills weak-minded bastards like you
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I'm confused on several levels.
Firstly, who is Winston the Third? Is he some guy called Ethan, some southerner or a professor of some sort? I always like to know who is writing something if its a book.
Secondly, your book is about the class system. In particular the pyramid type which you have described as ogliarchal collectivism. Now you think it revolves most around oil? Though this is a profitable industry, I doubt that the whole system is based upon it.
Thirdly, if you are Orwellian-inspired then why are you advertising like this? Orwell traditionally was known for being a man who did not make a big deal about how he was a writer.
Hopefully this comment will shed some light on whatever the topic is, I forget
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| Major General Despair wrote: |
I'm confused on several levels.
Firstly, who is Winston the Third? (1) Is he some guy called Ethan, some southerner or a professor of some sort?(2) I always like to know who is writing something if its a book.
Secondly, your book is about the class system*. In particular the pyramid type which you have described as ogliarchal collectivism. Now you think it revolves most around oil?$ Though this is a profitable industry, I doubt that the whole system is based upon it. (3)
Thirdly, if you are Orwellian-inspired then why are you advertising like this? (4) Orwell traditionally was known for being a man who did not make a big deal about how he was a writer. (5)
Hopefully this comment will shed some light on whatever the topic is, I forget |
In a nutshell some punk/s trying to spam this forum with his non-existent book; he seeks touse forum's theme as piggyback for his "book" which pokes a moan at the American Establishment and the Southern Discontents.
All laid out as above.
(1) Forum alias to make it more 'Orwellian' you know.
(2) Could be two guys, The 'Prof' Grupp has written elsewhere and shares the Southern Paranoid rhetoric, also he's published along with 'Ethan' ('book upcoming'), you know 'birds of a feather stick/flock together'.
(3) Ethan just won't give us a sample of it, even though he says he's the alleged author of the said yet-to-be published book.
(4) Because he's a cheap-ass or the 'book' is a complete fabrication.
(5) I think 'Ethan' has an ulterior agenda, hiding behind his waffle.
$ The issues regarding the heavy concentration in the Oil Industry are open news in the public domain. There is not the political will to break the industrial concentration in the industry though.
* This is gross stupidity made up by the 'author' based on the arbitrary and fictional classes in the Oceania, that do not bear relation to sociological reality, if you disagree with this guy ("Mr Caveman") you're a 'hater', mind you this is his third crapola attempt at spam and repeating himself.
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