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Mephistopheles
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Posted: Thu 2008-02-21 00:03
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| Mister Mephistopheles wrote: |
| I think you must have overlooked the Newspeak Dictionary thread in Language subforum. There's also two other attempts: BB on the newspeakdictionary site has his own list of Newspeak words, and Ingsoc Officer here has dabbled in it, but I think I'm the only one who did the dictionary. There's several versions, so pick whichever you want. |
I meant some sort of 'official' Newspeak Dictionary. I suppose that I was being naive to think that Orwell would have gone to the trouble to write one up. Such blatant commercialism obviously wasn't common at the time, nor was the kind of unchecked consumerism that would have led to such an obvious piece of derivative merchandise.
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Posted: Thu 2008-02-21 00:07
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| AceBrock wrote: |
| I've seen the movie. I'm not really sure whether to call it good r bad. My main issue was the overdone female nudity (I only try to look at that sort of thing when I get horny) |
Agreed. Though it's not that I have a problem with female nudity, so much as the crazy '70's bush' action. I mean seriously lady, it's euphemistically called 'trim' for a reason. You should really try and keep some control of it.
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Posted: Thu 2008-02-21 00:21
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| JCPRuckus wrote: |
| Mister Mephistopheles wrote: |
| I think you must have overlooked the Newspeak Dictionary thread in Language subforum. There's also two other attempts: BB on the newspeakdictionary site has his own list of Newspeak words, and Ingsoc Officer here has dabbled in it, but I think I'm the only one who did the dictionary. There's several versions, so pick whichever you want. |
I meant some sort of 'official' Newspeak Dictionary. I suppose that I was being naive to think that Orwell would have gone to the trouble to write one up. Such blatant commercialism obviously wasn't common at the time, nor was the kind of unchecked consumerism that would have led to such an obvious piece of derivative merchandise. |
On the contrary.
<- You know the guy here in my avatar? His name is Edward Bernays, a nephew of Sigmund Freud.
Eddy here practically invented public relations and the consumer mindset all the way back in the 1920s (which he formed into a world not unlike a less technologically advanced version of today). It was certainly alive and well in Orwell's time, but he probably didn't believe in it. It wasn't until the 50s until they started denouncing it (also probably the time it was used the most), and it wasn't until the 80s until everyone gave up the view and didn't care as much about it anymore like when the position was young.
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Posted: Fri 2009-07-24 09:40
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| Don't think the 1984 version will ever be bettered. John Hurt is perfect as Winston and the whole experience is manifest with the grubby, greasy, dilapidated society that Winston hates so much. Add to that the film being made at the actual time and place when the book was written and it has an obvious and undeniable edge. The other versions, one with Michael Rennie and one with Peter Cushing are both worth a look out of curiosity and have their moments but not as good IMO. |
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Agent Zero
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Posted: Sat 2009-08-01 18:20
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I loved it BUT I feel I can only say that because I've read the book. Allow me to explain.
There's so much that this movie assumes. If you've read the book, you'll get all of it and it will flow rather smoothly. If you've never read the book and you decide to watch the movie you'll be utterly lost. Like when Winston dreams of the Golden Country. We've read the book. We know what that means.
Try to look at it through the eyes of someone who's never read the book thought. It would come off as a huge WTF moment.
That said, I thought it was well cast, and John Hurt was brilliant as Winston. The acting was there, the presentation was very good, but I just felt the script could have used one or two more re-writes as to make it more appealing to the general audience.
Anyway it turns out a remake may be in the works.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0498637/
Tim Burton (GAH) is set to direct, it would appear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Burton#Frankenweenie_remake.2C_Dark_Shadows.2C_and_1984_remake
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Mephistopheles
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Strelnikov
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Posted: Sat 2009-08-15 15:17
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I doubt a new movie, let alone an animated version would be all that great. The 'original' movie was okay, but it was unidimensional compared to the book. Although it probably brought in more readers and reintroduced the book.
I have always liked the 1954 animation of Animal Farm. That was a great vehicle in my eyes. I doubt computer graphics would be better, in fact, the 1950's animation quality lends itself well to that story. When I taught school I used to show it. I wonder what the parents would have thought if they knew... or the administrators.
Sometimes movies work well, sometimes they fall flat. I think 1984 is a work that doesnt translate well beyond an apocalyptic costume drama.
It's a wonder WE was never done as a movie. I probably speak too soon.
By the way WE full text "MbI" is available in Russian here...
http://az.lib.ru/z/zamjatin_e_i/text_0050.shtml
I would ADD, by the way, the I think BRAZIL was a better done version of a 1984 type story. I would go so far as to say it was a better 1984 movie.
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Agent Zero
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Posted: Sat 2009-08-15 19:07
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| Mephistopheles wrote: |
Tim Burton is probably going to single-handedly ruin 1984 with an animated version in the Gothic-style he's so fond of; you know that, right? |
I know. Hence the "GAH."
I'm assuming Johnny Depp's already got the role of Winston 
I'm not opposed to a new movie, but not with Tim Burton. No. Just...no.
| Strelnikov wrote: |
I doubt a new movie, let alone an animated version would be all that great. The 'original' movie was okay, but it was unidimensional compared to the book. Although it probably brought in more readers and reintroduced the book.
I have always liked the 1954 animation of Animal Farm. That was a great vehicle in my eyes. I doubt computer graphics would be better, in fact, the 1950's animation quality lends itself well to that story. When I taught school I used to show it. I wonder what the parents would have thought if they knew... or the administrators.
Sometimes movies work well, sometimes they fall flat. I think 1984 is a work that doesnt translate well beyond an apocalyptic costume drama. |
I disagree. While I think the '84 film has its faults, and while I think the new Burton one will be horrid, I think, if done right, any story can be adapted as a motion picture.
If you're looking for something that's definitivley better, however, then the original book, you will constantley be dissapointed. A movie isn't support to replace a book, but rather to capture it's basic essance in an audio/visual form.
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Strelnikov
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Posted: Sat 2009-08-15 21:00
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| Agent Zero wrote: |
I disagree. While I think the '84 film has its faults, and while I think the new Burton one will be horrid, I think, if done right, any story can be adapted as a motion picture.
If you're looking for something that's definitivley better, however, then the original book, you will constantley be dissapointed. A movie isn't support to replace a book, but rather to capture it's basic essance in an audio/visual form. |
Well, without entering into the age old discussion of book v movie. There are many instances of the story better told by the movie director than the writer. And it is a retelling that the director need not feel compelled to retell the story in the same way.
The points and I think fears of 1984 are those we conjure up ourselves - they are more real. TO see them played out makes them no less dramatic, just less personal. The book requires you to create a lot that the movie does not.
I didnt mean to imply the movie wasnt good, merely that it is a good vehicle for a "costume drama" which takes away from the story.
So I disagree with the overall idea that the movie is just the story told through a different medium, but that it is the story retold by a different person through a different medium. And in most cases, there are few story tellers that are capable of matching Orwell's skill in this particular case.
As I said, I fell that Brazil is a much closer movie to the mood and effect I would expect of a film portraying the ideas of 1984. And Gilliam is one person who can pull that off in the medium.
Wow, too much said for a simple reply.
I probably agree with you, just wanted to point out my train of thought.
Thanks
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Agent Zero
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Posted: Sun 2009-08-16 00:35
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Yeah, with a few minor disagreements, I'm pretty much on board with you.
Ultimately I think there are a few directors out there that could put together a decent to pretty good 1984 movie, but Tim Burton's just not one of them.
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