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Winston the third
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I just wanted to give a shout out to all the fans; meph and his counterpart, being the only people really on here. I wanted you both to check out progressive press and see the cover to the Complete Patriot's Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism: Its Theory and Practice by Ethan.
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Posted: Thu 2009-04-30 14:06
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| Re: winston the third's literary suggestion |
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I just wanted to give a shout out to all the fans; meph and his counterpart, being the only people really on here. I wanted you both to check out progressive press and see the cover to the Complete Patriot's Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism: Its Theory and Practice by Ethan.
Peace. |
Hate to spoil your little trip dude, but how can you review a book that does not exist other than in your references to it? May be you have too much imagination seeking attention...see below for the answer....
That's what you get for being a shit for brains!
At least spammers have muck to spam with, you have not even that you imbecile!!!
NOW PISS OFF...
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Found it...
http://www.waronfreedom.org/
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World peace would inevitably lead to lethargy of the human race and it’s eventual extinction. It’s adversity that fuels change; chaos is what moves things forward. It is not religion that fuels war, but opinion and individuality that drive people into conflict.
As long as humans are free to think and disagree there will be conflict and war. The individuality and uniqueness of free thought, that form the mote of the soul, are the causes of war. To end war you must destroy the human soul, you must cease to be human.
If there is nothing left to fight for, there is nothing left to live for. World peace is suicide.
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I read the book title "War on Freedom" back in 2002 (compiled from a series of blog posts/wikis made into an ebook), so it has been repacked by the Southern Racist Dixiecrats as a rationale to war on the Federal Government and the site's name. Here goes another "Oklahoma Kah-boom!!", funny thing you brought the book up rather than ' Mr Winston', and is the book is far older than he peddled on his two previous threads. So he doesn't know the book contents nor does know the location of the book either in the internet plus uses cheap tricks to evade answering a set of fairly straight questions.
So who's telling the truth here?
I think it is spam work promotion, can Mr Winston promote/review a book that hasn't been published at all? Got freebie ebook copies by any chance? So you know the contents at all Mr Winston?
An extract from the blurb says - take into account the 'book' is yet to be released despite the Mr Winston hiatus since his first spam:
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The Complete Patriot’s Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism: its Theory and Practice by Ethan, a take-off on Orwell’s 1984 for our times.
A guide to individual empowerment in the midst of institutional monopolization, and a valuable blueprint for taking ownership of our lives and our world.
The Telescreen: An Empirical Study of the Destruction of Consciousness, by
Prof.
Jeff Grupp.
How the mass media brainwash us with consumerism, war propaganda, false history, fake news, fake issues, fake reality. |
oooh I am really scared already I must get a copy too! 
Nothing beats honesty but talking to spammers are just the wrong people to talk to especially when they call themselves 'patriots' to set themselves as "Us and Them", disagreement is DEFAULT enemy collaboration rather than mere questioning, very old gimmick goes by the name "God v Satan" and so on.
Take a look at Mr Jeff Grupp http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=1863
It is a Dixiecrat fundraiser....yep conspiracy galore with the predictable gripes..
Let's have a look at his dixiecratic rant right now:
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HOUR ONE SPECIAL -- JEFF GRUPP PhD
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The 'End the Fed' Protests are the (Secret) Road to World Government -- Prof Jeff Grupp PhD
Jeffrey Grupp
April 15, 2009
Two recent articles (my article and a JustGetUsThere article) in the past few days have discussed how the mass media is hijacking the patriot and Truth movements by (1) attempting to take over the debates about the issues that the patriot groups have been discussing for decades by suddenly, all-at-once blasting them into the mass media in a twisted, vacuous, and manipulated way, and (2) by taking over the anti-Fed ?revolution,? also by spotlighting it vacuously in the corporatist mass media.
But we know that if the New World Order wants to hijack the patriot and Truth movements, they won?t just do it from these angles, and instead they (A) will attack it from many angles, and more importantly, they (B) will use their attack to, additionally, set up their Brave New World.
This article is about (B), and what I want to suggest is that the New World Order is deliberately false-flag-attacking the Fed in order to ultimately destroy it, leaving the perception of a void in the financial world, wherein they will fill that void with THEIR choice of a new banking and money system: global currency, global bank, global governance/government.
More specifically, here?s what I theorize is commencing:
1. The New World Order is using the corporatist mass media to co-opt the real anti-Fed revolt (originally started by WeAreChange), in order to blend it with a fake anti-Fed revolt that they are setting up, in order to incite a broad anti-Fed revolution among the US citizenry, which should hit high gear later this year, if not by summer.
2. The New World Order will use what I just stated in 1, and the pre-planned and staged problems with the increasingly weakening banks and US dollar (which will ultimately collapse fully), in order to modify or abolish the Fed and the current money system.
3. And the New World Order will present a specific solution to this pre-planned scenario I just stated in 2 in order to replace the current banking and money system with, they will tell us, a ?better? system: a world banking and money system
(As a quick aside, let me say that abolishing the money system, as mentioned in 2, through hyperinflation -- which is set to start any time ? or other means, is critical to the New World Order?s set-up of the Brave New World, since abolishing the money system has the power to shock and clean-the-slate of the average citizen so profoundly that it will petrify the average citizen into doing literally whatever the New World Order slaughter-force wishes, just as we saw happened in Nazi Germany. This is the point of ?shock doctrine?, to use Naomi Klein?s phrase from her book.)
Now let?s restate the issue as simply as possible so we understand it very clearly: The New World Order has not only hijacked the revolt against the Federal Reserve that WeAreChangers originally started, but furthermore, the New World Order is going to use it to bring in world government!
They can do this because the average citizen is not well-educated in the real issues going on like the WeAreChangers were when they first started the Fed revolt, and the average citizen is thus easily co-opted regarding this revolt against the Fed. There has never been a greater danger to the patriot and Truth movements than right now: we don?t have a citizenry that is fully awake, and thus we don?t have a citizenry that will see they are being tricked into revolt when they zombically watch Fox News, for example, talk about the anti-Fed protests. Given the present discontentedness of the citizenry over the state of the country, and their being glued to the TV, they will never figure any of this out, and in their frustration they will merely react unthinkingly, thus swarming into a New World Order controlled fake anti-Fed revolution. We are in danger of having them join the fake, vacuous revolt that is brewing with the words of the Beck?s, Coulter?s, and Hannity?s of the world, falling right into the trap like a hungry and desperate fox sticking his paw into the hunter?s trap. The New World Order wants to take over the patriot and Truth movements before the real movements can get to them first.
The mainstream corporatist media is interested in publicizing the Federal Reserve protests, and they are interested in merging and joining with these protests, because if the mass media can easily get an unawakened US citizenry to reactionistically and passionately hate the Federal Reserve, then the New World Order can come in and say, with a big smile: ?Oh, you don?t like the Federal Reserve that has failed you, ok, then we will change it or abolish it for you, because we want to help you?after all, we are working for the people in this ?democracy?.? It is clear that we are heading in this sort of a direction since the corporate press is publicizing this phony revolt as they are. If the mass media can take over the ant-Fed revolt, then they can fabricate an impetus to destroy the Fed? Why on earth would they want to do this when the Fed is the milk-and-honey of the US-arm of the New World Order? Answer: as stated, if you want to set up a world government based on a world banking and money system, you need to destroy or modify the old national system first. And to do that they will use the corporatist mainstream media to all-of-a-sudden tell the people how horrible the banking system and Federal Reserve are (as seems to be starting since last fall), watch the people react, and then the government can tell us they will give us a solution to the Fed system -- where the solution is to change or destroy it, replacing it with a ?more secure? world government system. And just like in 1913, they will tell us that ?it?s what the people want!?, and that setting up such a system is the way to prohibit anything like this from happening again. This is classic problem-reaction-solution, just like Alex Jones has talked about hundreds of times:
Problem: the Fed
Reaction: protest and revolt against the Fed
Solution: modify or destroy the Fed (i.e., replace it with a global reserve bank) -- i.e., set up the New World Order.
So, in light of this scenario, it is the blind, unawake citizenry who will help set up the world government, if this scenario and this theory is correct and plays out. Isn?t this the way it always works, though? Luckily, we have a chance to notice this beforehand this time, in order to prevent it.
I theorize that this same sort of a problem-reaction-solution scenario could be implemented in other ways, too, such as with blending or replacing national governments with world government:
Problem: expose national government corruption and failures
Reaction: people protest and revolt against the national governments
Solution: either blend national governments by with world government, or destroy national governments in favor of world governments -- i.e., set up the New World Order.
(As a side note, it is speculative to presume so, but it almost appears that the mass media is leading up to this sort of a problem-reaction-solution set-up in order to get the citizenry to finally say ?enough is enough? with the government.
For why else would ?anti-war Obama? bomb Pakistan within days of the Inauguration? The lies and contradiction of Obama are so stark, that even the fluoridated, TV-controlled, nearly illiterate Americans can?t help but see ?the Obama deception,? to use Alex Jones?s phrase.
Another possibility is, however, that the New World Order could try to keep the current US system in place and put its puppet rebels into offices and make them appear to be part of the burgeoning revolution?this is sort of like what appears to be starting up now. The reader is left to theorize which is most likely the come to be.)
How many times have we seen this sort of pattern emerge?
Answer: It is the story of history. For example, through the corporatists? mass media that the average American keeps their mind glued to, they have been given the ?problems? of Hitler, Vietnam, Osama, and Saddam, and the ?solution? to these ?problems? that the corporatist mass media talked us into was war.
Problem-reaction-solution again.
Here?s another example: after World War II, Americans were told there was another problem: that sole cause of World War II was our supposed innate human madness and violence that led humanity to collectively lose their minds and create World War II (rather than the correct story: we were tricked into fighting), and the ?solution? Americans were presented with and were suckered into was to set up the now ultra-massive mental health industry.
Over and over, problem-reaction-solution, and we are tricked into fighting for our own demise. Just like when we pay taxes and pay for the existence of the government all, in the end, in order to finance our FEMA camps. All this comes about through problem-reaction-solution, and we are currently living right in the middle the largest problem-reaction-solution operation ever: the one that is meant to set up the New World Order. And most importantly, as my last article pointed out, it is the rapidly-growing Truth and patriot movements that the New World Order is set to use in order to carry out this greatest-of-all problem-reaction-solution operation!
Does this mean we no longer protest New World Order monstrosities, such as the Fed? Of course not. It just means we have to adjust our minds more to the multi-dimensionality of the attack of the enemy ?- know thy enemy -- which is something we need to do now, not later, so it?s good we have these forewarnings.
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The New World Order Is Taking Over the Patriot and Truth Movements
By Jeffrey Grupp, author of Corporatism: The Secret Government of the New World Order
April 6, 2009
We all know that there are infiltrators into the various patriot movements. Old news.
But that is not what I discuss in this article. I may be wrong, but I think something far more serious is going on: I think that the biggest, strongest patriot movements (Alex Jones and the Truth Movement, Campaign for Liberty, etc.) are about to completely damaged or hijacked so that they no longer exist, and are completely destroyed.
This is the New World Order tactic, so none of us should be surprised, just like I was not surprised when the Ron Paul Presidential run was run off the road and taken over almost effortlessly, it seems, before the first votes in New Hampshire were cast. So let?s get into this issue?
If Ann Coulter is so ?awake? now, endorsing Ron Paul and stating that he was right about everything, why won?t she then talk about the things that Ron Paul discusses: the Fed, Codex Alimentarius, the North American Union, the WTO and IMF, what the Second Amendment really is all about, and so on?
There is something funny going on here? and I think I know what.
If Glen Beck is such a patriot and such a rebel of the mass media now, also promoting Ron Paul, why can?t his research team, after searching for over a week as Beck said, simply find any of the dozens of news articles in Newsweek, the New York Times, the Houston Chronicle, and so on, about the massive FEMA camps all over?
Answer: he?s lying. Why is the mass media moving into our territory now, discussing some of the same issues we Truthers and patriots discuss, all of a sudden? If this keeps up, even as Alex Jones hinted at last week, his radio show ?could become pass?.
In other words, the movement will be hijacked from Jones, Ron Paul, and other leaders in the genuine patriot movements by the mass media (and the New World Order that controls the mass media), and the mass media will have control of them, just as they almost effortlessly took over the Ron Paul Presidential run?s momentum in the days before the New Hampshire Primary. Let me explain what I think is really going on.
Consider these facts:
1. All of a sudden, starting around late last fall, right when the stock market crash was going on, with a vengeance, the mass corporatist media began telling us that there is a New World Order and a coming world government.
And since then, the mass media tells us either that this New World Order and coming world government is great, or they would tell us that it?s bad and it?s only about the bankers?they don?t tell us, for example, that it?s project of the occultist and militaristic corporatists behind the scenes, or that it traces back to Hitler?I didn?t hear Beck cover that story!
2. That same mass media is telling us that the old system is the cause of the economic collapse, and ?oh no [?wink wink], the people might revolt against it (against system and/or the bankers)?.
That ?old system? referred to in 2 is, we are told by the thought-controlling mass media, not the country the Founders set up for us, but rather:
3. our current system of government (which is far from the libertarian Founders? government, and which is now actually a corporatist system where the government is a ceremonial government, like the Roman Congress was in ancient Rome),
4. the banks (but not the globalist banks, IMF, etc.),
5. capitalism (sure we never really have had it in the past 150 years?instead we?ve only had corporatism?but what traces of capitalism we?ve had are now being castigated [?GM?s failed business model?, etc.] or called nonexistent by the mass media, needing to be replaced by socialistic systems, such as with the NewsWeek cover story: ?We Are All Socialists Now?)
And there are other odd things going on, such as
6. Ann Coulter, who has been unwavering and incredibly rabid and virulent in her pro-war hate for Middle Eastern people,
all of a sudden is supporting the most anti-war presidential candidate in decades, saying he was right all along?um... did I hear that right?
There are other examples, but these are all stunning, and they are quite new in the mass media. Is any of this making any sense? Because it?s really confusing me?Anne Coulter has never used reason, but now suddenly she wants to? I think it?s all sounding more like the old ?wolf in sheep?s clothing? than anything else.
To understanding the conclusions I am going to bring out in this article, you will have to interconnect all these points, 1-6, at once. Let?s continue? |
For an alleged Professor title Mr Jeffery Grupp writes in the most subjective manner of a separatist Dixiecrat, things like this would not even get through the first semester in university.
something tells me that Winston the Third is the same shithead Herr 'Prof Jeff Grupp', are these dixiecrats often of German Ancestry, big cliche eh?
PS: most conspiratorial material has been rehashed from the book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy"(circa late 60's) by Gary Allen and recycled several times to include multiple urban legends and assortered redneck fears/hatreds. Dixiecrats love a fundraiser as long as it doesn't 'reinvent the wheel' as conspiracies go, so it is the same crap all over.
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Like Hitler said "get them persuaded and us elected"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Socialism
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Winston the third
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Posted: Thu 2009-05-28 20:07
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I noticed that the complete patriot's guide is a top thread on newspeak homepage. Thanks to big brother or whoever, however that works. My thread being on the home page is surely a bigger middle finger than you could ever summon hater.
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Posted: Fri 2009-05-29 03:16
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| I noticed that the complete patriot's guide is a top thread on newspeak homepage. Thanks to big brother or whoever, however that works. My thread being on the home page is surely a bigger middle finger than you could ever summon hater. |
.... you say that as if we gave a shit about the opinion of a fucking idiot spruiking a non-existent book, that's you! Hence you're so slow on the wits and the tortuous prose, I am just helping you with your disability Jeff.
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What is a Democratic Socialist?
It is a Communist who is cowardly
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Like Hitler said "get them persuaded and us elected"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Socialism
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Posted: Fri 2009-05-29 19:18
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I just wanted to give a shout out to all the fans; meph and his counterpart, being the only people really on here. I wanted you both to check out progressive press and see the cover to the Complete Parrot's Guide to Oligarchical Subjectivism: Its Theory and Practice by Ethan.
Peace. |
...and the paranoid prick wouldn't even tell us his source.....hmmm
Must be as badly written as your spam posts in the Forum.
Paranoid conjecture built on top of paranoiac conjecture built on top of a banal use of English Language themed on a popular English Writer, only the Paranoid could care.
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What is a Democratic Socialist?
It is a Communist who is cowardly
enough to call himself what he's not, for fear of backlash on the Semantics. It is about the "Speed" of the "Revolution".
Like Hitler said "get them persuaded and us elected"
Caveat Emptor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Socialism
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Well Winston far as I'm aware, the topics on the main page are determined by number of views and activity of members. As this page has been frequented by both you and carldiesturner, I'd say this is a good reason to suggest that this is why.
You are continually calling him a hater. I would suggest that to perhaps defuse the situation you give a better idea about where we can get more information about this book. As previously stated by carldiesturner, we have no evidence of this book and as far as we can tell, it doesn't exist other than your statements.
I did read a link that you sent to us about oilglarchical collectivism.
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