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Mephistopheles
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| JOHNNYBEGOOD wrote: |
I find it funny, Winston the third, is how you think that Plato's allegory of the cave is somehow the be-all and end-all of wisdom. The allegory of the cave smacks of Zoroastrian morality. Let's look at the original context of the allegory. The example Plato uses is that the darkness is "evil", the light is "good" and that the shadows are "justice". Now from where did Plato get this so-called divine idea of good? From his god, of course. What you do not realize, Winston the third, is that God is dead. We do not need a God to tell us what is acceptable, let alone what is unacceptable. We can do this ourselves. We can create our own meaning.
| From http://www.lawrence.edu/dept/english/courses/60a/handouts/nietzsch.html |
| "For heaven's sake, do not throw Plato at me. I am a complete skeptic about Plato. . . . Plato is boring. In the end, my mistrust of Plato goes deep: he represents such an aberration from all the basic instincts of the Hellene, is so moralistic, so pre-existently Christian--he already takes the concept 'good' for the highest concept--that for the whole phenomenon Plato I would sooner use the harsh phrase 'higher swindle,' or, if it sounds better, 'idealism,' than any other." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Twilight of the Idols" |
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In many respects, that Nietzschean truth always appealed to me as the (not necessarily end-all) foundation for modern progressive thought: that we have outgrown God. We can create our own meaning, we can build our societies based on rationalism and logical social planning (not of course, to imply totalitarianism), not on Bronze-Age superstitious nonsense. We have, in a sense, become our own Gods.
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Posted: Wed 2008-11-26 16:52
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thank you mr meph
thank you for understanding excellent way to look at things, shows thought. eehehem
that's what i was saying on one layer but i did not start talking about god just for the record
the allegory of the cave cane be used to reflect religion in many ways, but it is not about god or religion. jeezum crow it's from a book call the republic of plato , not the republic of the holy goat.
well said meph
obviously u r not on meth
i question the intoxication of hater however
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Posted: Wed 2008-11-26 17:38
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| Winston the third wrote: |
thank you mr meph
thank you for understanding excellent way to look at things, shows thought. eehehem
that's what i was saying on one layer but i did not start talking about god just for the record
the allegory of the cave cane be used to reflect religion in many ways, but it is not about god or religion. jeezum crow it's from a book call the republic of plato , not the republic of the holy goat.
well said meph
obviously u r not on meth
i question the intoxication of hater however |
We are playing good cop/bad cop with you.
I think it is time.... 
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Posted: Wed 2008-11-26 18:01
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In many respects, that Nietzschean truth always appealed to me as the (not necessarily end-all)
foundation for modern progressive thought: that we have outgrown God.
We can create our own meaning*,
we can build our societies based on rationalism and logical social planning (not of course, to imply totalitarianism), not on Bronze-Age superstitious nonsense&.
We have, in a sense, become our own Gods**. |
* You can read anything into this, stare at clouds or ask the Johnnybegood and the same opinion is elicited, so what's the pragmatic use for this? Anarchic free-for-all or another authoritarian ideology.
& In the nineteenth century Nietzsche had to content like many other writers and philosophers with the Protestant and Catholic Churches hence his grip over social and political mores.
** Should we start our Cult of Personality if you feel so inclined?
Plenty of threading with these Patriot, evidently the Patriot didn't write the blurb, different style altogether, eventually someone is gonna bait into the Patriot's spiel, now stretching the writing of writers separated by thousands of years is really pushing the credibility with the broken-record patriot.
***Hater and Proud of It***
Now what were you saying about God Being Dead = You Being Dead?
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Posted: Wed 2008-11-26 18:20
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| Winston the third wrote: |
you are insane
the leaps and assumptions you make is hilarious and [b]accureately reflects the reaction of the caved trolls*[/b]
you are attacking me because of your preconceptions and what has happened before
you even said so
you are hilarious and psychotic and you are chopping down shrubbery around my tree@
i call you are hater becasue it is accurrate#
if that would make you think i am trying to scare you,
then you are easily frightened probably off of unshaken preconceptions&&.
you have no idea, I get that.
I understand you don't like the way I write notes that's fine
there are four types of people in the world. $
the distinction is based on their reaction to new information.***
bra bra u r a zealot |
Nice trolling Patriot, have you read your own posts by any chance? You sound like a fuckwit. 
You're write like you have a neurological handicap. 
&& whatever you think Patriot Idiot.
@ what are trying to say, you have some plan for the Forum?
$ you like repeating this why? Do you think it is real or something, shows you're a messed up with that stupid literary and very much fictitious generalization from 1984 
*** Your ideas are not literary or scientific fact, it is just your ideas and opinion at that, now's conceit to sift six billion people into four categories from a fictional literary work, you stupid or merely childish?
# the Borat-style grammar and punctuation keeps pumping, do you read minds as well now?
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| Winston the third wrote: |
The shadows are False Images Appearing Real created by institutions to distract you from reality- to make you think god is dead and to make hater think that inner city poor and jews are legitmate groupings of individuals. |
If there's anything beyond what the five senses can discover, it's irrelevant, in my opinion. If there is no way to observe it, and it has no observable effects, then it might as well not exist.
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| light not justice you are about as far off from correct interpretation as possible. |
You are probably right on that account. I only read a cursory summary of the allegory. Perhaps with further study I could understand it better.
| Winston the third wrote: |
| god is dead = you are dead |
Based upon that statement, I'm assuming you are a pantheist. If that is true, then consider this: If everything is divine because everything is God, then what isn't divine? Nothing. All that does it level the playing field, further advancing one to nihilism. If you are a panentheist, then I stick by my comment to the first quote.
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| u could create your own meaning if you got the meaning of others straight first |
Well, it's hard to get the meaning of that other person when that other person types or presents their ideas in a weird way.
By the way, the reason carldiesturmer keeps calling you 'Patriot' is because he thinks that you are the same person who used that name and trolled the forum a while back.
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| Mephistopheles wrote: |
| In many respects, that Nietzschean truth always appealed to me as the (not necessarily end-all) foundation for modern progressive thought: that we have outgrown God. We can create our own meaning, we can build our societies based on rationalism and logical social planning (not of course, to imply totalitarianism), not on Bronze-Age superstitious nonsense. We have, in a sense, become our own Gods. |
Well of course it doesn't end there. When that person's self-crafted values have run their course (what that means is open to interpretation), then that person can shed those values and start anew. However, I don't like how you try to translate Nietzschean thought into the macro perspective. I mean look at most people. Even if they are athiest or agnostic, most of them still hold on to their herd-given morality. Also, the self-crafted values are by no means necessarily rational. A person with self-crafted values may seem insane to another person. At least that's how I interpreted it.
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| carldiesturmer wrote: |
| You can read anything into this, stare at clouds or ask the Johnnybegood and the same opinion is elicited, so what's the pragmatic use for this? Anarchic free-for-all or another authoritarian ideology. |
Well, if most people in a society followed it, then the former would arise. However, Nietzschean philosophy was not meant for entire societies. It was meant as a personal intellectual journey. You can't just look at the result, because the result is not the point. It's a path where the end is also the beginning. Perpetual motion.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but positive analysis is usually used to chart the course of something bigger than an individual.
| carldiesturmer wrote: |
| In the nineteenth century Nietzsche had to content like many other writers and philosophers with the Protestant and Catholic Churches hence his grip over social and political mores. |
When Nietzsche wrote that famous passage he was discussing the philosophical arena. However, it was an apt prediction for what European society would come to. He wasn't trying to control anybody. He was trying to chart a course for humanity through the nihilism that he predicted that the thinkers of humanity would have to navigate.
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-29 00:32
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johnny be good
well said! points
I never intended to speak about God, dook brought it up because it was beleived tht I was so and so and was coming form one angle or another.
I am not going to get into a convo God online. Pantheism is interesting but not completely me
I never spoke of God. that guy needed cheering up.
only spoke of the allegory in relation to what I guess is a favorite book of everyone on this site and that i wrote a lil somethin.
Socrates was before most contemporary interpretations of God and churches - 400 bc.
as well this is not the most efficient form of communication, to talk about god one should be face to face
I could definitely be more clear, but others could also be more resourceful.
I would rather you interpret it for yourself than have me spell it out for here, I am sure that is mutual from all the compelling animosity I've experienced here..
here is simple way to start comparison, and I hate to be stuck on Allegory, but it is powerful stuff as just mention of patriot is as well.
The fire sheds light in the cave casting images on a wall = Telescreen
look at the allegory like that
surely with accurate dissection of the Allegory you will find confirmation for your opinion on observations of reality. The trick, their trick, is that shadows are real reflections that people assume to be reality in total in the cave.
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-29 04:48
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| Simplified Nitzche for busy people in the 21st Century. |
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This is pure rambling Johnny, can I ask for a succint and economical reply, in one or two paraphraphs? I know Nietzsche gets often paraded as some sort of rational patron saint because he gives the finger to the clerical establishment, but I don't see the merit of writing volumes of literature when it can explained with max. of an A4 sized manuscript at most, it ain't money Johnny. Besides today Nitzsche is not controversial as some people think it.
So the bottom line is.....
PS: Winston is trolling the board, anyone else wouldn't be as singled-minded in his effort to divert topics to his little "guide to oligarchical collectivism and Plato's buttcave+torch" with such impetus. He even writes like a half-wit with awful punctuation and tell us that he's 100% American White Bread yet writes to us in Spanish at the end of his mangled English post, not very honest, so what's trying to prove?
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-29 04:59
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| Winston the third wrote: |
johnny be good
well said! points
I never intended** to speak about God,
dook brought it up because it was beleived &&
tht I
was so and so and was coming form one angle or** another.
I am not going to get into a convo God online++.
Pantheism is interesting but not completely** me**
I never spoke of God.**
that guy needed cheering up. +
only spoke of the allegory in relation to what I guess is a favorite book of everyone on this site and that i wrote a lil somethin&&.
Socrates was before most contemporary interpretations of God and churches - 400 bc.
as well this is not the most** efficient form of communication,
to talk about god one should** be face to face**
I could definitely** be more clear, but others could** also be more resourceful.
I would rather** you interpret it for yourself than have me spell it out for here,
I am sure that is mutual from all the compelling** animosity I've experienced here%..
here is simple way to start comparison, and I hate to be stuck on Allegory, but it is powerful stuff as just** mention of patriot is as well**$.
The fire sheds light in the cave casting images on a wall = Telescreen
look at the allegory like that
surely** with accurate dissection of the Allegory &&&
you will find confirmation for your opinion on observations of reality.
The trick, their trick, is that shadows are real reflections that people assume to be reality in total in the cave*. |
Kiss Ass Bitch
Jesus-freaking the NS Forum has been done before....
*You smoking the wacky tobacco, you sound paranoid.
** Weasel-wording is fun isn't it?
+ I also speak in allegories and metaphors shithead, can you figure it?
++ meaning what actually?
$ more like a broken record, do you suffer Asperger's Syndrome by any chance?
&& Where did you to school?
% where expecting hassle-free trolling in the NS Forum?
&&& pure mental masturbation Winston, gotta a girfriend?
REF:weasel words
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wy do wanna know about my personal life and my girls so much?
get off my dick
wy do you wanna know about my personal history stop jocking me
u r swinging on my nutsack get off
it shows you're a racist when you talk I said I am 100% usa this is true and I speak spanish, I said nothing about my race that is another one of your assumptions.
u r a sophist word from the days of plato
i speak spanish, perhaps a lil better than orwell
jesus loves you my son
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-29 17:03
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| Winston the Buttcave pretentious pseudo-intellectual |
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| Winston the third wrote: |
wy do wanna know about my personal life and my girls so much?
get off my dick (*) 
wy do you wanna know about my personal history stop jocking me
u r swinging on my nutsack get off(1)
it shows you're a racist when you talk I said I am 100% usa this is true and I speak spanish, (2)
I said nothing about my race that is another one of your assumptions. (3)
u r a sophist word from the days of plato (3)
i speak spanish, perhaps a lil better than orwell(4)
jesus loves you my son (5) |
(*) Your spelling is atrocious, you live in an underprivileged 'hood or something, makes you like a complete fuckwit with low intelligence, Ebonics anyone? 
Looks like you are not satisfied with your previous trolling effort......
(1) persistent sounding like broken record means you have offline issues with your sex life needing attention, trust Sex is the medicine, forum masturbation is not pleasant to those without the issue .
(2) Great casting aspersion, don't you know "Patriots" are racist idiots and bigots, it means you are trying to pass for something you're not, BUSTED shithead. The spelling of your Spanish is better than your English one thus far
(3) You brought it up dickhead, I didn't
(4) Sophist? You use plenty of weasel words so the prize goes to you, did you get to interview Orwell on his Spanish proficiency? Nice sophistic statement Winston, thought you could sneak it in by having a go?
(5) Who is that lousy bum? You like faith-healing medicine too
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1.5 billion of each of the four groups of people from the allegory of the cave? I disagree wholeheartedly. There are not that many disgustingly similar people. If there is 100 500 000 more of me I may as well jump off a cliff.
See I don't like taking theories from ancient scholars as they are very often deeply pessimistic. They are also not complete fact. So basically Plato better be happy; he's managed to depress me from thousands of years later with untrue ramblings.
Oh yeah and telling people that they are part of 1 of 4 groups of people then complaining because he also says you are part of 1 of 4 groups of people. Is quite hypocritical don't you think? I couldn't tell you because I'm not Plato. |
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-29 18:06
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you are an individual and there is no one like you.
however there are four ways to think, four ways to react to information.
fuck socrates, fuck nietzsche.
You people are stuck on identity and cannot see idea
funny though that everyone treats much the same as socrates was treated for just mentioning his idea.
funny that everyone on here hates me and attacks me much like goldstein was attacked for writing a book on actuality as did goldstein.
nowhere is it said that four types of cognition are divided equally
actually even on this site I have seen the formula depicted, it is an old formula, it is the mathematical representation of an oligarchy or pyramid. 85, 10 and 5 percent.
complaining? claiming? I never wrote anything about myself other than being from the usa. his assuptions are just that. I brought ideas, hater is jealous, claims oligarchical collectivist, he wishes she did such a project
peace out for sheeezy
keep it with jeezy
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| Winston the third wrote: |
you are an individual and there is no one like you.-#
however there are four ways to think, four ways to react to information. -1
fuck socrates, fuck nietzsche. -2
You people are stuck on identity and cannot see idea -3
funny though that everyone treats much the same as socrates was treated for just mentioning his idea.-4
funny that everyone on here hates me and attacks me much like goldstein was attacked for writing a book on actuality as did goldstein. -5
nowhere is it said that four types of cognition are divided equally-6
actually* even on this site I have seen the formula depicted,
it is an old formula%,
it is the mathematical representation of an oligarchy or pyramid.
85, 10 and 5 percent. -7
complaining? claiming?
I never wrote anything about myself other than being from the usa*. his assuptions are just that. -8
I brought ideas, hater is jealous, claims oligarchical collectivist, he wishes she did such a project -9
peace out for sheeezy -10
keep it with jeezy -11
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# You've bleated for several posts how the world is divided into four classes of people, add "Hater" and it is five and now you changed your tune how individuals are so different,
CONTRADICTING YOURSELF, gosh you're a dumb bastard. See 1-
1- You have limited choice, must be your low neuron count limiting your choices and perspectives or your lack of education.
2- More self-contradiction, you said you were for these guys in previous posts.
3- You have ideas, it doesn't mean it is top quality.
4- Comparing yourself to Socrates, weren't you talking about Plato originally? You are very vain.
5- Very pretentious, do you think Goldstein is real? Are you mad with your vanity comparing yourself to a literary character, wake up to Reality boofhead.
6-Fiction no reality shithead, it is of no consequence.
7- Where do you get these statistics from Jazz Improvisation scales drills?
8- You talking to me? Can you translate your Spanish for the Forum?
9-These are nothing new nor are they yours nor original, neither is the quality good, hate criticism? Live with it like everyone else in life shithead.
10-Little Richard rhymes...see below
11- " Make it easy, try me sissy, I know you are greasy"
% I like the concept "OLD FORMULA" where did you source it from? Weasel Word Dictionary of Advertising Cliches.
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I have heard of that formula, however who devised it and how? Only way to be sure is to have an Ogliarchal Society then run a survey. However most Ogliarchal societies prohibit free information.
Anyway of course I'm not unique. None of us are. We are all futile and the sooner you accept that the sooner you can get on with you're life in simple mediocrity. We all accept it, why can't you?
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actually even on this site I have seen the formula depicted, it is an old formula, it is the mathematical representation of an oligarchy or pyramid. 85, 10 and 5 percent.
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"Something will defeat you Winston. Life will defeat you."
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| slymonkeyinc20 wrote: |
I have heard of that formula, however who devised it and how? Only way to be sure is to have an Ogliarchal Society then run a survey. However most Ogliarchal societies prohibit free information.
Anyway of course I'm not unique. None of us are. We are all futile and the sooner you accept that the sooner you can get on with you're life in simple mediocrity. We all accept it, why can't you?
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actually even on this site I have seen the formula depicted, it is an old formula, it is the mathematical representation of an oligarchy or pyramid. 85, 10 and 5 percent.
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Do you consider yourself in the 5% of worthwhile people who will make a net difference to human history? Sorry to break it to you but you are doomed to failure. O'Brien's speech in Ministry of Love.
"Something will defeat you Winston. Life will defeat you."
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The guy is a pretentious wannabe elitist and a vain one at that too.
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| yo what up lil bra, hater |
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If you have ever experienced someone classify you in terms other than how you think you might understand. If you have ever been attacked becasue of yuor race or becasue of an institution you are involved in you would be happy if people judged you according to how you think.
I never considered myself actually, all you are considering me. Meph called me a hero and I accepted the compliment.
You attacked me for my spelling, you are irate, and have no ideas only scithes to chop at the ideas of others.
If I was vain I would tell you about myself, I would have my last name on the book and I would not stoop to communicating with a hater such as yourself.
plato was a student and scribe of socrates if you questioned anything substantial you might know that by now instead of being so caught up in my identity.
you can't fade me hater, you sound like a moron, but you spell so well. this is beginning to bore me. u r boring me out of here bra
your fist substantial debate and all you do is criticize my spelling, and my identity, yawn.
not complaining, not stimulated either.
I hold steady my ideas that are well thought out. I accept your criticism, only hope for more than you are wrong becasue you don't spell well or you are worng becasue I say so
occam's razor.
Nobody who takes on anything big and tough can afford to be modest.
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Ah right. So you have a full report of everything I have ever said or thought. I mean. Really? What gives you the balls to make such assertions?
I question the views you are expressing, saying that we are all pigeonholed into 4 catagories , and you say I have no ideas? And you say that you have loads of brilliant ideas? Act like you are in the upper 5% of the human race? You see I'm not questioning your book at all. The fact that you had an idea and put it into a book is respectful. But you're defense of negative criticism is flawed in places. Holes have been picked in your defense of it.
You see you're assertions that we are nothing but idealess talentless scumpiles is not the right way to win and arguement I'd say. I might not be the best at arguing but perhaps suggesting such an offensive statement is not the way to defend yourself. |
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monkey I was directing the last note at hater not you. I appreciate your sensible arguments actually, hater has been attacking me for reasons that make him look like a shit pile not you.
I made no claim about human race I never claimed anything about myself ever on here.
you say socrates and everyone thinks you are acting like a know it all.
i have no report on anything of the sort that you think. You are good debater, you're right, only I said that at hater not you monkey
it is not what one thinks, that is important in the deduction of which of the four one is in. It depends not on what you think but how you think.
DO you question openly despite some derelict telling you an idea or a socioligist?
Do you question how to use the information to manipulate others?
Do you avoid questions?
or do you question only in a direction that verifies preconceptions?
questioning is step one to patriotism
occams razor = the simplest answer is the best. There are four types of people based on how they think, not what they think and not how educated they are.
I made no such assertions those are assumptions.
I am not claiming anything just defending myself from shithead.
Monkey you have the right attitude keep questioning. My compliments to you. I only claim to classify people at their simplest and most reasonable.
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here are four types of people based on how they react to new information
one's accent is meaninngless to the definition, one's heritage, one's nationhood, creed, religion, race, mean nothing. it is one's mindfulness. It is not the history one knows, it is not who you work for or what school you went to it is how one questions.
The four different types of people are based on their reaction to new information. Keep questioning.
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Thing is I always thought patriot meant orthodox to ones country. In 1984, Winston describes orthodox as not thinking. So it seems to me to be blind obedience. Course I'm not sure and perhaps you're book will bring up a new meaning to patriot.
Glad you think I'm a good debater, really I'm not on any side of the arguement but i want to get more medals, so I'm going for that one where you make loads of posts on one topic. Don't know why I care but perhaps you're book mentions that.
Was Socrates the one who said "All wars are for money"? Cause if so thats one of the quotes on Call of Duty 3 that makes me not want to play such a militaristic game based soley on the deaths of millions. |
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-29 23:54
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| "Scream Hater! in the Cinema" and see what goes |
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If you have ever experienced someone classify you in terms other than how you think you might understand -1.
If you have ever been attacked becasue(sp) of yuor(sp) race or becasue(sp) of an institution you are involved in-2 you would be happy if people judged you according to how you think.
I never considered myself actually (WW), all you are considering me-3.
Meph called me a hero(-) and I accepted the compliment(-).
You attacked me for my spelling-4,
you are irate, and have no ideas only scithes(sp) to chop at the ideas of others-5.
If I was vain I would tell you about myself-6,
I would have my last name on the book and
would not stoop to communicating with a hater such as yourself-7.
plato was a student and scribe of socrates-8
if you questioned anything substantial you might know that by now instead of being so caught up in my identity-9
you can't fade me hater,-10
you sound like a moron,-11
but you spell so well. this is beginning to bore me-12.
u r boring me out of here bra-13
your fist substantial debate and all you do is criticize my spelling-14,
and my identity, yawn.-15
not complaining,
not stimulated either.-16
I hold steady my ideas that are well thought out-17.
I accept your criticism, only hope for more than you are wrong -18
becasue(sp) you don't spell well or you are worng(sp) becasue(sp) I say so
occam's razor-19.
Nobody who takes on anything big and tough can afford to be modest.
Orson Welles-20 |
Now that you've had your wank my pretentious friend, it is my turn.
(-) Meph is mentally ill, it proves you are a bigger idiot due to his paranoid schizophrenia, surely you are desperate for acceptance here, look 'I'm Impressed', he tried the same shit with me and failed like a fuckwit just like you.
(WW)weasel word
1- Should I care either way?
2- What institution are you referring to?
3- So you say...
4- Yes it is pretty awful, don't you have any sense of pride at all?
5- Nice metaphor at least you're not constantly repeating yourself with ButtCave
6- Your post speaks for your pretentiousness shithead.
7-Did you really write it? Is HATER suppose to elicit some reaction, count five classes of people shithead.
8- Who cares for secretaries?
9- Misuse of language speak highly of your 'bona fide' intentions.
10- So you say you are trying to do damage.
11-oh stop it, it hurts so bad, actually it doesn't
12-Pretty atrocious, you consider too elite, your writing refutes your underclaim
13- Did you say bra?
14- It is pretty bad, you should take care of fair criticism, unless you can't take it?
15- Sure whatever you say...
16- You could make a bad court jester.
17-Mega-generalizations about Society make you look like dumbass, how old you five years old to think in such way with four category class structure, stupid shit indeed.
18- If you are that ignorant it means I need to help you more.
19- Occams Razor, impressive do you know what it actually means and how to use correctly? Trying to use a literary fiction-come-political/economic labels as substitute for sociological analysis says that you don't know what you're talking and neither should you be taken seriously for your obvious silliness.
20- Quoting out of context doesn't make you either talented or knowledgeable, just a try-hard wannabe with no talent or education.
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| have no ideas only scithes to chop at the ideas of others. |
Ah right. So you have a full report of everything I have ever said or thought. I mean. Really? What gives you the balls to make such assertions?
I question the views you are expressing, saying that we are all pigeonholed into 4 catagories , and you say I have no ideas? And you say that you have loads of brilliant ideas? Act like you are in the upper 5% of the human race? You see I'm not questioning your book at all. The fact that you had an idea and put it into a book is respectful. But you're defense of negative criticism is flawed in places. Holes have been picked in your defense of it.
You see you're assertions that we are nothing but idealess talentless scumpiles is not the right way to win and arguement I'd say. I might not be the best at arguing but perhaps suggesting such an offensive statement is not the way to defend yourself. |
I don't think it is 'his book' or that he's being honest either. We had shitheads who've 'written' books before like mephie and sorioanofan and ended up being complete fuckwits with a very devious agenda, whose intentions end up being augurs of worse to come down the track but first a form 'credibility' and status has to be made to gain confidence with the Forum.
And those stupid generalizations about people, denote a very green mind with little education.
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Posted: Sun 2008-11-30 00:27
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| The Complete Patriot's Guide to Oligarchical Collectivsm |
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| Winston the third wrote: |
I wrote a book.
The Complete Patriot's Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism.
Check it out, it will be out in a couple of months.
It is like the idiot's guide books in format and contains an individual perspective of the petrolithic&era,
the trinity of monopoly**
and an institutionalized world@.
I am an uninstitutionalized# individual.
I have no military, corporate or religious background to speak of.
I am just a person of the U.S.A. $outside the box.
Progressive press is publishing it. Thanks |
*Tautology, Latin and Greek for the same word "stone"duh!
& trinity and monopoly does not computer 3 on 1?
# Does this word exist in the dictionary?
@ Erhr where do you live shithead?
$ Poor grammar
Authors don't review their own books, duh dunce, it is called promotion and a plug!
PS: what's so 'patriotic' about 'Progressive Press'? Can you review what's not even out in the stores?
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not my book, I take that as a compliment. I laugh, your hate compliments me.
green mind, yes.
you are judging on preconception u state so over and over
good bye, you can go back to looking at 1984 the way everyone else does
earth stone (lithic) is literally layered with earthly poison (petrol) petrol is earthen not stone
been there
uninstitutionalized is an intranet word I' d never use it otherwise
yo meph u aint m friend you never treated me friendly you can get a look at it when its out however one goes about it
generalizations are juvenile when they are based on cavemen thought like describing people based on an institutional alignment, race, religion or anything other than how they react to information.
3 in 1 does not compute think triangle that means three / lines
think three institutions in line
no wonder there is only like twenty people on here
you guys are lame
again you ask questions about me. Promitin the book I may be, but myself no.
I never said I have a book about me
I am from the usa the only institution I am a part of - judge me then
actually occams razor is nothing, relevant and used correctly
I am leaving, this is too time consuming and not productive
I answered relevant questions enough
I upset your site with promotion of my creativity that does not meet your literary standards, I did not write it to impress intellectuals and sophists.
I did not come here to fight meaninglessly, obviously you don't appreciate it.
chow, choos den, sianara, cheers, late, hasta
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| Winston the third wrote: |
not my book, I take that as a compliment. I laugh, your hate compliments me.
green mind, yes.
you are judging on preconception u state so over and over
good bye, you can go back to looking at 1984 the way everyone else does
earth stone (lithic) is literally layered with earthly poison (petrol) petrol is earthen not stone
been there
uninstitutionalized is an intranet word I' d never use it otherwise
yo meph u aint m friend you never treated me friendly you can get a look at it when its out however one goes about it
generalizations are juvenile when they are based on cavemen thought like describing people based on an institutional alignment, race, religion or anything other than how they react to information.
3 in 1 does not compute think triangle that means three / lines
think three institutions in line
no wonder there is only like twenty people on here
you guys are lame
again you ask questions about me. Promitin the book I may be, but myself no.
I never said I have a book about me
I am from the usa the only institution I am a part of - judge me then
actually occams razor is nothing, relevant and used correctly
I am leaving, this is too time consuming and not productive
I answered relevant questions enough
I upset your site with promotion of my creativity that does not meet your literary standards, I did not write it to impress intellectuals and sophists.
I did not come here to fight meaninglessly, obviously you don't appreciate it.
chow, choos den, sianara, cheers, late, hasta |
nice try....more later..
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Teimuraz Sakirovadze
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not my book, I take that as a compliment. I laugh, your hate compliments me.
green mind, yes.
you are judging on preconception u state so over and over
good bye, you can go back to looking at 1984 the way everyone else does
earth stone (lithic) is literally layered with earthly poison (petrol) petrol is earthen not stone
been there
uninstitutionalized is an intranet word I' d never use it otherwise
yo meph u aint m friend you never treated me friendly you can get a look at it when its out however one goes about it
generalizations are juvenile when they are based on cavemen thought like describing people based on an institutional alignment, race, religion or anything other than how they react to information.
3 in 1 does not compute think triangle that means three / lines
think three institutions in line
no wonder there is only like twenty people on here
you guys are lame
again you ask questions about me. Promitin the book I may be, but myself no.
I never said I have a book about me
I am from the usa the only institution I am a part of - judge me then
actually occams razor is nothing, relevant and used correctly
I am leaving, this is too time consuming and not productive
I answered relevant questions enough
I upset your site with promotion of my creativity that does not meet your literary standards, I did not write it to impress intellectuals and sophists.
I did not come here to fight meaninglessly, obviously you don't appreciate it.
chow, choos den, sianara, cheers, late, hasta |
O Lord and Master BB, smite this man and his offspring!
a\k\a fail troll is fail
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| some 'would-be published author' |
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| Teimuraz Sakirovadze wrote: |
| Winston the third wrote: |
not my book, I take that as a compliment. I laugh, your hate compliments me.
green mind, yes.
you are judging on preconception u state so over and over
good bye, you can go back to looking at 1984 the way everyone else does
earth stone (lithic) is literally layered with earthly poison (petrol) petrol is earthen not stone
been there
uninstitutionalized is an intranet word I' d never use it otherwise
yo meph u aint m friend you never treated me friendly you can get a look at it when its out however one goes about it
generalizations are juvenile when they are based on cavemen thought like describing people based on an institutional alignment, race, religion or anything other than how they react to information.
3 in 1 does not compute think triangle that means three / lines
think three institutions in line
no wonder there is only like twenty people on here
you guys are lame
again you ask questions about me. Promitin the book I may be, but myself no.
I never said I have a book about me
I am from the usa the only institution I am a part of - judge me then
actually occams razor is nothing, relevant and used correctly
I am leaving, this is too time consuming and not productive
I answered relevant questions enough
I upset your site with promotion of my creativity that does not meet your literary standards, I did not write it to impress intellectuals and sophists.
I did not come here to fight meaninglessly, obviously you don't appreciate it.
chow, choos den, sianara, cheers, late, hasta |
O Lord and Master BB, smite this man and his offspring!
a\k\a fail troll is fail |
Actually he's full of shit, there is not evidence of existence of his book nor publisher details, of course nothing is stopping him from showing us the .pdf file of the book.
So yes he's trolling us for his imaginary book and insulting our intelligence the best he can with his limited and rather piss-poor English skills.
Elegant evidence of cretinous behavior
Don't feed the trolls, just kick their arse to Houston.
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Aren't you making generalizations by trying to say that there are four type of people in the world, and that's pretty much it? I am still curious about what these four types of people are - to be honest thus far you seem to be trolling. I am not trying to insult you, I am trying to understand you -
You make claims about four people, but do not elaborate on the concept, despite having a book published on the topic. We need more substance from you so that we can more appropriately understand the concept.
Your spelling is irrelevant to me, personally. I find your style of conversation charming, at the very least. There is something about being called the Unfrozen One that makes me smile. But you do seem to speak cryptically or in some sort of riddle, and to be honest I don't have the patience for that. If you want to engage this forum in legitimate debate or intellectual conversation on the topic, we expect to be able to understand you. Riddles and cryptic speaking isn't helping or aiding your topic - we want to know what you're talking about. At the very least, be more specific.. that would make this substantially more interesting, to at least me.
Also, though you may enjoy exchanging barbs with Carl - he's really not a bad guy, it may be fun to actually respond to him without insults. Just because he wants to insult you doesn't mean you have insult him. The thing I have found about Carl is, that despite he sometimes comes off as being very insulting, his posts also contain valid points that are interesting and worth addressing. Though I personally don't enjoy going the route he does, I think a lot of his questions contain value. Just insulting him back and just dancing around his questions doesn't really make the entire conversation more valid.
Your topic, concerning the book within a book, may be quite relevant to this site and our conversations here. I did not take your metaphor of the sun to be literal, which is why I also used it as a metaphor. This is something I am legitimately interested in because you seem to believe that one can manage to avoid being part of the institution. I disagree because my understanding of society tends to lead me to think that every facet of society is entrenched in one form of instituation or another.
See, I didn't question your past because I wanted to attack you personally, I questioned it in an attempt to say you are as part of institutionalized society as anybody else. Family is an isntituation, language is an instituation - even if you oppose every normal isntituation and do not formally associate with any "anti" institution, you are by default a part of their causes. We are all tied up in instituations in one way or another. I am simply curious about your claim about not being part of any institution - how have achieved this and managed to live? Do you value things? The thing is, if you are not part of an instituation of any sort, then you are an interesting case study in and of yourself.
Though I may have come off as trying to tear you down, I wasn't.. like I said, you seem to be talking about things that really interest me academically. I am curious about what you have to say, but I would like to read it rather than try to figure it out from the latest riddle.
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I was going to private message this but whatevers
I am over this site. If one does not understand slang one cannot understand rhetoric - not you in particular. There are no friendly peopel her I respond to u out of respect for your thoughtful note. I am the least pretentious person, however I won't stand down, I do not like the position people have put me in here.
I do not like arguing with hater and I do not like the belittling I've experienced in presenting something that I put a lot of work into. I shared a concept with what I thought were mutual minds, but have only been attacked for being creative and understanding contemporary slang. carl is an intellectual snob, he would get hit in the face if he approached people like that in reality. The mental barbs are draining. I do not enjoy it.
I don't have the time for this actually. It was stupid of me to come here.
He is zealot because of the way he reacts o new information
I have been an idiot before
I act like an elitist at times
and a zealot and a patriot
family is not an institution nor is marriage these are people acting within institutions
a family is an arrangement of people that is amorphous, marriage is not an institution it is people, they still speak as people and act as people
an institution is made up of people and they act as mechanized in the institution. when they are thoroughly institutionalized they act and speak as that institution.
there are individuals and then there are institutions
institutions are not alive
show me the portion of a fam or marriage that is not alive
now show me the portion of, well you pickj an institution around you, there are lifeless portions to instittions. A marriage and family have no lifeless portions,
I am dependent on institutions, bit they are dependent on me more. That is what you seem to have not questioned. Why are institutions? If not to benefit people than why? Institutiotns are temporary formations of people, people progress evolve, while institutions maintain, they hold. Look at church, car corporations. Institutions maintain. If you believe there is no changing institutions, or landscape then I would call you institutionalized.
you have so much power and yet it is relinquished to rattling machines.
there are three types of institutions church state and corporation
I am institutiuonalized, but relative to the rest of the world not so much.
I buy gas, food I wan t a new watch made by some corporate bloodsuckers
U cannot leave the environment
u can walk out of institutions
U can choose which institution you are under and do support
Without people's support, institutions become space for rent
These are not generalizations as much as they are fair specifications
I was an idiot the other day when I put a note about the book on this site
It is just new information that is the deciding factor, for I am sure you knw plenty of idiots that question football or soccer for instnce. It is refusing to question new and pertinent info that makes one an idiot.
a zealot doesn't question anythin relevant that enhances or changes or is different from current perception, hence hater is a zealot
an elitist asks questions quietly and holds onto information. The lack of distributing information lends them power.
patriots openly ask relevant questions
no time for more
idiots refuse
zealots refute information
elitists misuse
patriots distribute
if one has ever been put into a category like carl did based on who you work for or what race you are you will see that this is a fair way to understand people.
In india the other day murderers did thier deed on people of specific origins and location.
People cannot be divided by anything other than their thoughtfulness.
there are four types of people based on their mentality
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| Winston the third wrote: |
I was going to private message this but whatevers
I am over this site. If one does not understand slang one cannot understand rhetoric - not you in particular. There are no friendly peopel her I respond to u out of respect for your thoughtful note. I am the least pretentious person, however I won't stand down, I do not like the position people have put me in here.
I do not like arguing with hater and I do not like the belittling I've experienced in presenting something that I put a lot of work into. I shared a concept with what I thought were mutual minds, but have only been attacked for being creative and understanding contemporary slang. carl is an intellectual snob, he would get hit in the face if he approached people like that in reality. The mental barbs are draining. I do not enjoy it.
I don't have the time for this actually. It was stupid of me to come here.
He is zealot because of the way he reacts o new information
I have been an idiot before
I act like an elitist at times
and a zealot and a patriot
family is not an institution nor is marriage these are people acting within institutions
a family is an arrangement of people that is amorphous, marriage is not an institution it is people, they still speak as people and act as people
an institution is made up of people and they act as mechanized in the institution. when they are thoroughly institutionalized they act and speak as that institution.
there are individuals and then there are institutions
institutions are not alive
show me the portion of a fam or marriage that is not alive
now show me the portion of, well you pickj an institution around you, there are lifeless portions to instittions. A marriage and family have no lifeless portions,
I am dependent on institutions, bit they are dependent on me more. That is what you seem to have not questioned. Why are institutions? If not to benefit people than why? Institutiotns are temporary formations of people, people progress evolve, while institutions maintain, they hold. Look at church, car corporations. Institutions maintain. If you believe there is no changing institutions, or landscape then I would call you institutionalized.
you have so much power and yet it is relinquished to rattling machines.
there are three types of institutions church state and corporation
I am institutiuonalized, but relative to the rest of the world not so much.
I buy gas, food I wan t a new watch made by some corporate bloodsuckers
U cannot leave the environment
u can walk out of institutions
U can choose which institution you are under and do support
Without people's support, institutions become space for rent
These are not generalizations as much as they are fair specifications
I was an idiot the other day when I put a note about the book on this site
It is just new information that is the deciding factor, for I am sure you knw plenty of idiots that question football or soccer for instnce. It is refusing to question new and pertinent info that makes one an idiot.
a zealot doesn't question anythin relevant that enhances or changes or is different from current perception, hence hater is a zealot
an elitist asks questions quietly and holds onto information. The lack of distributing information lends them power.
patriots openly ask relevant questions
no time for more
idiots refuse
zealots refute information
elitists misuse
patriots distribute
if one has ever been put into a category like carl did based on who you work for or what race you are you will see that this is a fair way to understand people.
In india the other day murderers did thier deed on people of specific origins and location.
People cannot be divided by anything other than their thoughtfulness.
there are four types of people based on their mentality |
This is Winston's Idiotic Patriot Meter verse.
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It is a Communist who is cowardly
enough to call himself what he's not, for fear of backlash on the Semantics. It is about the "Speed" of the "Revolution".
Like Hitler said "get them persuaded and us elected"
Caveat Emptor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Socialism
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| Winston the third wrote: |
I was going to private message this but whatevers
I am over this site. If one does not understand slang one cannot understand rhetoric - not you in particular. There are no friendly peopel her I respond to u out of respect for your thoughtful note. I am the least pretentious person, however I won't stand down, I do not like the position people have put me in here.
I do not like arguing with hater and I do not like the belittling I've experienced in presenting something that I put a lot of work into. I shared a concept with what I thought were mutual minds, but have only been attacked for being creative and understanding contemporary slang. carl is an intellectual snob, he would get hit in the face if he approached people like that in reality. The mental barbs are draining. I do not enjoy it.
I don't have the time for this actually. It was stupid of me to come here.
He is zealot because of the way he reacts o new information
I have been an idiot before
I act like an elitist at times
and a zealot and a patriot
family is not an institution nor is marriage these are people acting within institutions
a family is an arrangement of people that is amorphous, marriage is not an institution it is people, they still speak as people and act as people
an institution is made up of people and they act as mechanized in the institution. when they are thoroughly institutionalized they act and speak as that institution.
there are individuals and then there are institutions
institutions are not alive
show me the portion of a fam or marriage that is not alive
now show me the portion of, well you pickj an institution around you, there are lifeless portions to instittions. A marriage and family have no lifeless portions,
I am dependent on institutions, bit they are dependent on me more. That is what you seem to have not questioned. Why are institutions? If not to benefit people than why? Institutiotns are temporary formations of people, people progress evolve, while institutions maintain, they hold. Look at church, car corporations. Institutions maintain. If you believe there is no changing institutions, or landscape then I would call you institutionalized.
you have so much power and yet it is relinquished to rattling machines.
there are three types of institutions church state and corporation
I am institutiuonalized, but relative to the rest of the world not so much.
I buy gas, food I wan t a new watch made by some corporate bloodsuckers
U cannot leave the environment
u can walk out of institutions
U can choose which institution you are under and do support
Without people's support, institutions become space for rent
These are not generalizations as much as they are fair specifications
I was an idiot the other day when I put a note about the book on this site
It is just new information that is the deciding factor, for I am sure you knw plenty of idiots that question football or soccer for instnce. It is refusing to question new and pertinent info that makes one an idiot.
a zealot doesn't question anythin relevant that enhances or changes or is different from current perception, hence hater is a zealot
an elitist asks questions quietly and holds onto information. The lack of distributing information lends them power.
patriots openly ask relevant questions
no time for more
idiots refuse
zealots refute information
elitists misuse
patriots distribute
if one has ever been put into a category like carl did based on who you work for or what race you are you will see that this is a fair way to understand people.
In india the other day murderers did thier deed on people of specific origins and location.
People cannot be divided by anything other than their thoughtfulness.
there are four types of people based on their mentality |
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What is a Democratic Socialist?
It is a Communist who is cowardly
enough to call himself what he's not, for fear of backlash on the Semantics. It is about the "Speed" of the "Revolution".
Like Hitler said "get them persuaded and us elected"
Caveat Emptor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Socialism
DO NOT USE BIG BROTHER'S LIBERTARIAN POLICIES AND BELIEFS AGAINST HIS HIMSELF AND HIS FORUM |
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Major General Despair
Junior Spy
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idiots refuse
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If you were to say that at the start when referring to the cave instead of saying that people should instead look it up and figure it out then perhaps this whole thread would not have required so much attention. Then again I would probably say that I am a mix of them so people aren't exactly split into just one of those groups. Holding information is fun, plus if somebody tells a patriot a secret then they may as well just put up posters telling everyone. Still does it make me an idiot refusing to eat Nestle? Does it make me a zealot for disagreeing with creationism? Does it make me an eltist for not telling you any of my credit details? And does it make me a patriot constantly questioning you're views on this matter? I don't know. Possibly all four but I can't be sure. BTW is hater not just one of those internet buzzwords that people use to label disagreers? |
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Major General Despair
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Well I feel we should be told once and for all. What are we? Am I a patriot because I'm once again going to send out a post composed entirely of questions? Am I an elitist for being ambiguous and only asking questions? Am I a zealot for refusing to answer any questions? Am I an idiot for being stubborn and refusing the information already given? Chances are the answers are already in this forum but I'm just too lazy to find them. Does that make me an American patriot because I ask questions but I am too lazy to find the answers myself?
I don't know what the fuck I'm saying. I don't know who the fuck still uses this topic. And I don't know what the fuck I'm writing such a long needless post for. |
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JOHNNYBEGOOD
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This is pure rambling Johnny, can I ask for a succint and economical reply, in one or two paraphraphs? I know Nietzsche gets often paraded as some sort of rational patron saint because he gives the finger to the clerical establishment, but I don't see the merit of writing volumes of literature when it can explained with max. of an A4 sized manuscript at most, it ain't money Johnny. Besides today Nitzsche is not controversial as some people think it.
So the bottom line is..... |
After a lot of procrastination, I rediscovered a quote from Watchmen, where Rorschach tells the psychiatrist why he became Rorschach. This basically sums it up.
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| Stood in firelight, sweltering. Bloodstain on chest like map of violent new continent. Felt cleansed. Felt dark planet turn under my feet and knew what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night. Looked at sky through smoke heavy with human fat and God was not there. The cold, suffocating dark goes on forever and we are alone. Live our lives, lacking anything better to do. Devise reason later. Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves, go into oblivion. There is nothing else. Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. Streets stank of fire. The void breathed hard on my heart, turning it's illusions to ice, shattering them. Was reborn then, free to scrawl own design on this morally blank world. Was Rorschach. Does that answer your questions, Doctor? |
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| carldiesturmer wrote: |
This is pure rambling Johnny, can I ask for a succint and economical reply, in one or two paraphraphs? I know Nietzsche gets often paraded as some sort of rational patron saint because he gives the finger to the clerical establishment, but I don't see the merit of writing volumes of literature when it can explained with max. of an A4 sized manuscript at most, it ain't money Johnny. Besides today Nitzsche is not controversial as some people think it.
So the bottom line is..... |
After a lot of procrastination, I rediscovered a quote from Watchmen, where Rorschach tells the psychiatrist why he became Rorschach. This basically sums it up.
| From Rorschach |
Stood in firelight, sweltering. Bloodstain on chest like map of violent new continent. Felt cleansed. Felt dark planet turn under my feet and knew what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night. Looked at sky through smoke heavy with human fat and God was not there. The cold, suffocating dark goes on forever and we are alone. Live our lives, lacking anything better to do.
Devise reason later.
Born from oblivion; bear children, hell-bound as ourselves, go into oblivion. There is nothing else. Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. Streets stank of fire. The void breathed hard on my heart, turning it's illusions to ice, shattering them. Was reborn then, free to scrawl own design on this morally blank world. Was Rorschach. Does that answer your questions, Doctor? |
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now that's a long one of a wait....you were saying your personal opinion of Mr N weren't you and not someone's else?
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What is a Democratic Socialist?
It is a Communist who is cowardly
enough to call himself what he's not, for fear of backlash on the Semantics. It is about the "Speed" of the "Revolution".
Like Hitler said "get them persuaded and us elected"
Caveat Emptor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Socialism
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JOHNNYBEGOOD
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| carldiesturmer wrote: |
now that's a long one of a wait....you were saying your personal opinion of Mr N weren't you and not someone's else? |
Wait...what? I'm not sure what you're saying here. It wasn't me and not someone else's?
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| Winston the third wrote: |
THAT IS THE 3 TIME YOU MOVED AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
FUCK EVERYBODY ON THIS SITE
KEEP YOUR PRECONCEPTIONS
I KNOW NOTHING COMPARED TO THE GREAT WISDOM OF YOU ALL
THE NUB, THE SOUTHERN RACIST HAS LEFT THIS SITE FULL OF HATERS
YOU FIGGAS IS ON SOME OTHER SHIT |
Ahem agh erhr what's the rule about capslock shithead!? Is it to take the attention off your parroting the cave in multiple threads as said you just promoting your book Jeff? Stupid paranoid prickless Southerner, HOW ARE THE CHEMTRAILS GOING BY THE WAY?
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