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| From http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5056019&page=1 |
Ron Paul to End Campaign, Launches New Effort
Supporters Plot Shadow Convention, More Revolution
By Z. BYRON WOLF
June 12, 2008
Rep. Ron Paul's presidential campaign, a pugnacious, ideological crusade against big government and interventionist leanings in the Republican party, will officially end Thursday at a rally outside the Texas GOP's convention, ABC News has learned.
Ron Paul
Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who raised millions from staunch supporters attracted to the libertarian's unique message, is dropping his '08 White House bid.
(Jocelyn Augustino/Redux)
Paul told supporters back in March, in a video posted on his Web site, that he was "winding down" his campaign and planning a new phase to what he and fans call their "revolution."
The new phase of the revolution officially begins with a speech tonight in Houston and a Web video to be posted on his site, officially ending Paul's presidential campaign and freeing up the more than $4.7 million in campaign cash for investment in a new advocacy group, The Campaign for Liberty.
The new entity will be used to push a slate of libertarian-minded Republican candidates for public office in local districts nationwide, according to a description provided to ABC News by the Paul campaign. Paul also recently published a new book on his political philosophy, The Revolution: A Manifesto.
The Texas congressman's campaign to win the Republican nomination raised about $33 million in nine months, and he and his organizers hope to reignite that grassroots support for the new organization. They're setting a goal of raising $35 million over the next year.
Despite the dedication and moxie of Paul's supporters, maintaining that level of interest without the vehicle of Paul's presidential campaign could be difficult, especially given the frenetic, laissez faire interaction between Paul and his supporters through the presidential campaign. The congressman in many ways served as a figurehead, while independent actors drawn to his message did most of the organizing.
The Liberty Campaign is meant as a means for harnessing some of that energy and maintaining interest on a more micro level, by recruiting like-minded people to seek political office.
Paul, who is a medical doctor, is not ending his political career but will seek reelection to his congressional seat in Texas.
The Paul campaign itself was defined by a dedicated army of supporters, who organized independently of Paul, worked to explode "money bombs" to sustain his campaign coffers, rallied in the streets of primary states and even skirted campaign finance law to float a Ron Paul '08 blimp around much of the Eastern seabord earlier this year.
Not Getting on the McCain Bandwagon
For all the dash and creativity of Paul's supporters, his campaign never translated into large percentages of the primary vote.
Paul has repeatedly denied calls from supporters that he run for president as an independent this year. He argues that the American political system is weighted in favor of the two main political parties.
But while he is organizing his revolution within the Republican party, don't look for Paul to jump on the campaign trail with McCain.
"Although it is not his intention to hurt McCain," said Paul's campaign spokesman Jesse Benton, "he is very unlikely to endorse."
At the height of his campaign popularity, amid the early primaries and when he was raising more campaign money than any of the other Republicans, Paul made his mark at Republican debates, often sparring with McCain and former New York Governor Rudy Giuliani over foreign policy.
Paul was alone among Republican candidates calling for an end to the Iraq war and for American troops to be brought home from long-term international postings around the world.
McCain, perhaps the strongest backer of the Iraq war in Congress, has the polar opposite view. In an interview Wednesday on NBC's Today show, McCain told Matt Lauer it does not matter when American troops return en masse from Iraq as long as the number of American casualties drops.
Revolution Moves to Minnesota
The "Revolution" has a way to go before it turns the Republican party. First, it will have to get in the door.
McCain, after all, is the Republican nominee. And he'll be speaking center-stage at the national convention in Minneapolis. Organizers have not yet said whether Paul will get the opportunity to address the convention at all. And Paul is not holding his breath.
So the first official event sponsored by Paul's new Liberty Campaign will take place in Minneapolis, but decidedly outside the walls of the Republican National Convention in September.
Paul has rented Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota, which hold 11,000 seats, for September 2, smack in the middle of the Republican convention, which takes place at the Xcel Center.
He is also encouraging the delegates he won in the Republican primary — fewer than 50 — as well as Paul-leaning delegates committed to other candidates, to make their presence known at the Republican convention.
"Dr. Paul is still strongly encouraging them to take part in the GOP convention to influence the platform and represent the limited government wing of the Republican party," said Benton.
Michael Nystrom is such a delegate from Massachusetts. An independent web developer, Nystrom also runs the Web site www.dailypaul.com and was elected as an alternate Republican delegate.
And he's not alone. Nystrom speculates that close to half the delegates and alternates actually traveling from Massachusetts to the Republican convention are actually Paul supporters. And they plan to make their voices heard, even if the party won't allow Paul's to be.
"The main thing is that we can talk to other delegates and other alternate delegates and try to jawbone them about Ron Paul's message and the message of traditional Republican values," Nystrom said from his home in Massachusetts today.
And if the other delegates at the convention won't talk to him, Nystrom said he'll have a Ron Paul sign and Ron Paul stickers for all to see, unless party officials try to take those away at the door. Then, he says, he'll have to sneak them inside.
Nystrom and the other Paul-leaning Massachusetts delegates have had meetings to plot convention strategy and Nystrom said similar meetings are going on nationwide.
Technically pledged to support former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, Nystrom said he was elected as a delegate by speaking out at a party delegate meeting. Nystrom did not mention Paul's name, "but I did mention his ideals, and I was elected."
He said this shows that Paul's ideals have resonance with Republican voters. "They are traditional Republican values, just not the values of the current Republican regime." Nystrom said.
"A lot of people feel alienated by this country, by this false left-right dichotomy," he said.
"We don't know about the political process in this country and its sad, I think, because the political process has been taken over by professionals," Nystrom said. |
In case you didn't have time to read the entire article, Ron Paul has, in fact, finally suspended his presidential campaign. However, the question remains; What is to become of this subforum? Will it remain open? Will it be locked? Will it be memoryholed? Will it change its focus to Ron Paul's new organization? Only BB can decide and he's currently gone.
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No offense to BB or anyone else who supports Ron Paul, but I have to say: Good Riddance
This guy is decades if not a century out of date. His ideas mean nothing in the current global economy
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Posted: Wed 2008-11-05 05:00
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| Teimuraz Sakirovadze wrote: |
| Mao Zedong wrote: |
No offense to BB or anyone else who supports Ron Paul, but I have to say: Good Riddance
This guy is decades if not a century out of date. His ideas mean nothing in the current global economy |
Meh. Some people like old ideas.
By the way BB, you Ron Paul fanatic, you won't let up until he's in the White House...!
"Ron Paul 2012" my democratic socialist backside.  I have a dreamsicle, muthafucka! |
Most Americans prefer to live in a delusional reality, so excuse me for I being an American. But at least I've freely chosen my own delusion, rather that having it chosen for me by my 2nd century ancestors.
In any case, I'm not the first person to "have a dream"....
But yes, there is a certain reality associated with this date....1935-08-20. The year 2012 occurs 77 years after that date, which does cause quite a few complications (as if there weren't already enough troubles with my "dream").
But the republican party now lies in total ruins. Were not for the 30% of the population who believed that Yahweh was a republican, the Elephant would be completely extinct. It is not entirely out of the question that a new, more libertarian GOP will rise from the ashes of the neo-con corpse. Yes, it is a crazy delusion, but it is mine.
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| Mephistopheles wrote: |
| It's libertarian policies that helped contribute to the economic problems the world faces, namely more and more de-regulation and less overall government oversight (goes hand-in-hand with regulation but I'm not just talking about strict regulation but observer status as well). The same Republicans who wanted more and more de-regulation were the ones screaming for government bail-outs during our recent economic crisis. Hypocritical shitbags if you ask me. So, until people conveniently forget about this economic crisis in a decade when it should be normalized, I don't think people are going to be as in favor of primitive Industrial-era economic policies as before. |
Lol. I think I need to take a step back here. Remember the Nolan Chart?
"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. "Up" to man's age-old dream--the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or "down" to the ant heap of totalitarianism - Ronald Reagan, 1964-10-27, in a stump speech given in support of Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign.
Both "left" and "right" political ideologies have an "up" and a "down". On the left, the "up" is represented by the egalitarian Utopian ideal that the proletarian fights for, and the "down" is the Stalinist/Maoist authoritarianism that actually results. The situation of the right is much the same. "Up" is the Laissez-faire libertarian entrepreneurial ideal embodied in the US Constitution and the "American Dream", and "down" is the fascist corporatism which can result from "deregulation".
In other words, the "up" on both sides works to benefit the individual, and the "down" side works for the benefit of an Oligarchical/Aristocratic elite. Personally, I think the "up and down" are more important than "left and right". I sometimes think I have more in common with a communist wearing a Che Guevara t-shit than with the neo-con, bible-thumping pigs who have dominated the party with which I am registered.
It is imperative that we "common people" on both right and left never forget this one simple truth --- In both cases, let and right, the "down" elite invariably will try to usurp the rhetoric of "up" masses in order to fool them into giving them their support.
As such, when Neo-cons enact "deregulation", they only do so in a way that benefits the corporate elite. But this is not the only type of "deregulation" possible. Believe it or not, It is entirely possible to be anti-monopoly and anti-fascist and still be a libertarian capitalist. Just as the Stalinists try to fool everyone into believing they were Marxist Utopian's, the fascists want to make everybody believe they are lib-caps. Don't be fooled.
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." - Seneca the Younger
"It is often argued that religion is valuable because it makes men good, but even if this were true it would not be a proof that religion is true. That would be an extension of pragmatism beyond endurance. Santa Claus makes children good in precisely the same way, and yet no one would argue seriously that the fact proves his existence. The defense of religion is full of such logical imbecilities." - H. L. Mencken
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Posted: Thu 2008-11-06 04:47
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| Big Brother wrote: |
| Mephistopheles wrote: |
| It's libertarian policies that helped contribute to the economic problems the world faces, namely more and more de-regulation and less overall government oversight (goes hand-in-hand with regulation but I'm not just talking about strict regulation but observer status as well). The same Republicans who wanted more and more de-regulation were the ones screaming for government bail-outs during our recent economic crisis. Hypocritical shitbags if you ask me. So, until people conveniently forget about this economic crisis in a decade when it should be normalized, I don't think people are going to be as in favor of primitive Industrial-era economic policies as before. |
Lol. I think I need to take a step back here. Remember the Nolan Chart?
"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. "Up" to man's age-old dream--the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or "down" to the ant heap of totalitarianism - Ronald Reagan, 1964-10-27, in a stump speech given in support of Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign.
Both "left" and "right" political ideologies have an "up" and a "down". On the left, the "up" is represented by the egalitarian Utopian ideal that the proletarian fights for, and the "down" is the Stalinist/Maoist authoritarianism that actually results. The situation of the right is much the same. "Up" is the Laissez-faire libertarian entrepreneurial ideal embodied in the US Constitution and the "American Dream", and "down" is the fascist corporatism which can result from "deregulation".
In other words, the "up" on both sides works to benefit the individual, and the "down" side works for the benefit of an Oligarchical/Aristocratic elite. Personally, I think the "up and down" are more important than "left and right". I sometimes think I have more in common with a communist wearing a Che Guevara t-shit than with the neo-con, bible-thumping pigs which dominate the party with which I am registered.
It is imperative that we "common people" on both right and left never forget this one simple truth --- In both cases, let and right, the "down" elite invariably will try to usurp the rhetoric of "up" masses in order to fool them into giving them their support.
As such, when Neo-cons enact "deregulation", they only do so in a way that benefits the corporate elite. But this is not the only type of "deregulation" possible. Believe it or not, It is entirely possible to be anti-monopoly and anti-fascist and still be a libertarian capitalist. Just as the Stalinists try to fool everyone into believing they were Marxist Utopian's, the fascists want to make everybody believe they are lib-caps. Don't be fooled. |
Where do you position Anarchists here?
We got news Big Brother, the Old Bonner fossils are out and kiss goodbye to Communist/Libertarian/Republican Ideological and very sclereotical politics.
Matter of fact, Americans have nowhere else to go politically, Conservative Politics has been self-discredited.
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Posted: Thu 2008-11-06 05:09
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| Big Brother wrote: |
| Both "left" and "right" political ideologies have an "up" and a "down". On the left, the "up" is represented by the egalitarian Utopian ideal that the proletarian fights for, and the "down" is the Stalinist/Maoist authoritarianism that actually results. The situation of the right is much the same. "Up" is the Laissez-faire libertarian entrepreneurial ideal embodied in the US Constitution and the "American Dream", and "down" is the fascist corporatism which can result from "deregulation". |
You mean regulation? Fascism involves regulation. It's why it's corporativistic, and even in Nazi Germany without Italian-styled corporatism, the German government still regulated all major businesses and industries, and basically nationalized the industries during the war. But sure, is up is fewer government controls on economy, and right is fewer government controls on our personal lives, I'll play ball, although the second part is reversed in the US.
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In other words, the "up" on both sides works to benefit the individual, and the "down" side works for the benefit of an Oligarchical/Aristocratic elite. Personally, I think the "up and down" are more important than "left and right". I sometimes think I have more in common with a communist wearing a Che Guevara t-shit than with the neo-con, bible-thumping pigs which dominate the party with which I am registered.
It is imperative that we "common people" on both right and left never forget this one simple truth --- In both cases, let and right, the "down" elite invariably will try to usurp the rhetoric of "up" masses in order to fool them into giving them their support.
As such, when Neo-cons enact "deregulation", they only do so in a way that benefits the corporate elite. But this is not the only type of "deregulation" possible. Believe it or not, It is entirely possible to be anti-monopoly and anti-fascist and still be a libertarian capitalist. Just as the Stalinists try to fool everyone into believing they were Marxist Utopian's, the fascists want to make everybody believe they are lib-caps. Don't be fooled. |
BB, I have to just say, how many times will it take for you to realize it just doesn't work? There was the Great Depression, numerous depressions and recessions before and after, including our current one, and the whole of the Industrial revolution which was the zenith of de-regulation. It just doesn't work, and the test of time happens to be an accurate test. It's all fine and dandy for you to believe in lib-cap, but I think you seem to be ignoring the end result of its policies: economic ruin, which the mixed-market policymakers are forced afterwards to clean up.
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| Big Brother wrote: |
| Both "left" and "right" political ideologies have an "up" and a "down". On the left, the "up" is represented by the egalitarian Utopian ideal that the proletarian fights for, and the "down" is the Stalinist/Maoist authoritarianism that actually results. The situation of the right is much the same. "Up" is the Laissez-faire libertarian entrepreneurial ideal embodied in the US Constitution and the "American Dream", and "down" is the fascist corporatism which can result from "deregulation". |
You mean regulation? Fascism involves regulation. It's why it's corporativistic, and even in Nazi Germany without Italian-styled corporatism, the German government still regulated all major businesses and industries, and basically nationalized the industries during the war. But sure, is up is fewer government controls on economy, and right is fewer government controls on our personal lives, I'll play ball, although the second part is reversed in the US.
| Big Brother wrote: |
In other words, the "up" on both sides works to benefit the individual, and the "down" side works for the benefit of an Oligarchical/Aristocratic elite. Personally, I think the "up and down" are more important than "left and right". I sometimes think I have more in common with a communist wearing a Che Guevara t-shit than with the neo-con, bible-thumping pigs which dominate the party with which I am registered.
It is imperative that we "common people" on both right and left never forget this one simple truth --- In both cases, let and right, the "down" elite invariably will try to usurp the rhetoric of "up" masses in order to fool them into giving them their support.
As such, when Neo-cons enact "deregulation", they only do so in a way that benefits the corporate elite. But this is not the only type of "deregulation" possible. Believe it or not, It is entirely possible to be anti-monopoly and anti-fascist and still be a libertarian capitalist. Just as the Stalinists try to fool everyone into believing they were Marxist Utopian's, the fascists want to make everybody believe they are lib-caps. Don't be fooled. |
BB, I have to just say, how many times will it take for you to realize it just doesn't work? There was the Great Depression, numerous depressions and recessions before and after, including our current one, and the whole of the Industrial revolution which was the zenith of de-regulation. It just doesn't work, and the test of time happens to be an accurate test. It's all fine and dandy for you to believe in lib-cap, but I think you seem to be ignoring the end result of its policies: economic ruin, which the mixed-market policymakers are forced afterwards to clean up. |
God, hasn't the world moved on since that repetitive communist/Mises/stalin/Friedman/Monetarist/Marxist pedantry with these people?
Oooh someone doesn't know what Corporativist Economics are, hurry meph get the notes before you look like the Online Try-hard Ignoramus you are. 
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| carldiesturmer wrote: |
What is this crap McCain Centrist like Democrat Kerry 2004? Is it the gun-nut paranoia as parroted by the White Supremacist Militia, excuse me?
Hilary Socialist? What? Is she running with the American Labor Party?
The Unabomber an Anarchist? -He was mentally ill pal.
Bush as Republican? The imbecile funded and supported by the Christian Right Theocrats and Neoconservative Imperialists?
Come on, this is mickey mouse Libertarian Propaganda Map.
What's next Obama is the Next American Mugabe uber commie as well?
Better ask non-partisan academics for their opinion on the political inclination of politicians.
I seriously doubt the ability of Libertarians to tell the difference between Socialism and Liberalism....is it for politically secessionist reasons begging paranoic centralism from Washington? Busting their KKK cross-burning ritual...
And talking about Socialism and Communism with George Bush nationalizing America's biggest banks oh well? Who is the biggest Commie Scum but a Republican Imbecile, see it is bollocks 
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What does the political map look like in carldie-land? If you need a copy of photoshop....
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| orwelliantherye wrote: |
In case you didn't have time to read the entire article, Ron Paul has, in fact, finally suspended his presidential campaign. However, the question remains; What is to become of this subforum? Will it remain open? Will it be locked? Will it be memoryholed? Will it change its focus to Ron Paul's new organization? Only BB can decide and he's currently gone. |
*Rye looks at the "Ron Paul 2012" header on the subforum.*
Well, this explains a lot.
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-08 07:08
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| Politics: Oligarchical Collectivist |
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| Redefining Political Centrism or cynical re-fencing |
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| Big Brother wrote: |
| carldiesturmer wrote: |
What is this crap McCain Centrist like Democrat Kerry 2004? Is it the gun-nut paranoia as parroted by the White Supremacist Militia, excuse me?
Hilary Socialist? What? Is she running with the American Labor Party?
The Unabomber an Anarchist? -He was mentally ill pal.
Bush as Republican? The imbecile funded and supported by the Christian Right Theocrats and Neoconservative Imperialists?
Come on, this is mickey mouse Libertarian Propaganda Map.
What's next Obama is the Next American Mugabe uber commie as well?
Better ask non-partisan academics for their opinion on the political inclination of politicians.
I seriously doubt the ability of Libertarians to tell the difference between Socialism and Liberalism....is it for politically secessionist reasons begging paranoic centralism from Washington? Busting their KKK cross-burning ritual...
And talking about Socialism and Communism with George Bush nationalizing America's biggest banks oh well? Who is the biggest Commie Scum but a Republican Imbecile, see it is bollocks
Next Cow please... |
What does the political map look like in carldie-land? If you need a copy of photoshop.... |
I like the idea of labeling McCain "Centrist", by that does it mean anyone to his "Left" is either Joseph Stalin or Lenin, let's put it more clearly this is a case of shifting the Political Label Fence plain and simple, so McCain is Centrist like Kerry 2004 or Communist like Hilary? See it is an arbitrary label. Someone in the Libertarian Advertising Campaign could use a good dose of honesty, gone are the days of willy-nilly MacCarthism, anybody who disagrees is a Communist or Socialist.
REAGAN:COMMUNISM FOR DUMMIES
Now being a Centrist would warrant McCain (is he pro-choice, anti-theocratic,gun banning, raise wages etc.) be expelled from the Republican Party with this label, should we relabel Ronald Reagan next in this exercise, let's try Mother Jones? It is reallocation/redistribution of the National Income right ......ehrrr ahem upwards to the top 5% (lovely deficit-funded tax breaks and government contracts "Reaganomics"), a reallocation of income nevertheless. Reagan is a Communist.
The best part in this Political Compass is how people would seek to have a righteous political inclination in the Good-Intentions matrix.
Should I get started on the Presidential Cabinet, take this Dubya is an idiot, he gets neo-cons (an ideological think-tank not a political party in its own right) to operate in the Cabinet, does it mean anything to be a "Centrist" as a political label here? What if McCain stacks his cabinet with more Neo-Con PNAC dumbfucks?
Who does the Presidential advising and picking of secretaries of state and defence mean anything in this equation? Well, I call this over-simplification with the Political Matrix.
So settle after the 700 billion-dollar bailout, Bush being a Communist, according to this shifting political fence labels I'm right. Think of it Patriot Act, disregard of Habeas Corpus, abridging freedom of speech (it applies to government not private citizens) et cetera
What's so ideological about Capitalism? Directors and shareholders want to make a dollar, that's it, a pragmatic end, do they join a party or support allies in the political game or seek to further their ends by exercising influence through proxies, do they need to write a Capitalist Manifesto, leave that to intellectuals who don't make business decisions on a daily basis.
I expect a reply, I am cynic you know.
*Use Gimp, light and free, photoshop kills my other applications while processing, I am the impatient type. 
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What is a Democratic Socialist?
It is a Communist who is cowardly
enough to call himself what he's not, for fear of backlash on the Semantics. It is about the "Speed" of the "Revolution".
Like Hitler said "get them persuaded and us elected"
Caveat Emptor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Socialism
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Posted: Sat 2008-11-15 20:06
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| Politics: Libertarian-Syndicalist |
Country: American Empire |
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| Re: Redefining Political Centrism or cynical re-fencing |
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| carldiesturmer wrote: |
*Use Gimp, light and free, photoshop kills my other applications while processing, I am the impatient type. |
Gimp sucks. Photoshop it aint.
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carldiesturmer
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Posted: Wed 2008-11-19 14:51
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| Politics: Oligarchical Collectivist |
Country: United States |
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| Re: Up or Down |
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| Mephistopheles wrote: |
| Big Brother wrote: |
| Both "left" and "right" political ideologies have an "up" and a "down". On the left, the "up" is represented by the egalitarian Utopian ideal that the proletarian fights for, and the "down" is the Stalinist/Maoist authoritarianism that actually results. The situation of the right is much the same. "Up" is the Laissez-faire libertarian entrepreneurial ideal embodied in the US Constitution and the "American Dream", and "down" is the fascist corporatism which can result from "deregulation". |
You mean regulation? Fascism involves regulation. It's why it's corporativistic, and even in Nazi Germany without Italian-styled corporatism, the German government still regulated all major businesses and industries, and basically nationalized the industries during the war. But sure, is up is fewer government controls on economy, and right is fewer government controls on our personal lives, I'll play ball, although the second part is reversed in the US.
| Big Brother wrote: |
In other words, the "up" on both sides works to benefit the individual, and the "down" side works for the benefit of an Oligarchical/Aristocratic elite. Personally, I think the "up and down" are more important than "left and right". I sometimes think I have more in common with a communist wearing a Che Guevara t-shit than with the neo-con, bible-thumping pigs which dominate the party with which I am registered.
It is imperative that we "common people" on both right and left never forget this one simple truth --- In both cases, let and right, the "down" elite invariably will try to usurp the rhetoric of "up" masses in order to fool them into giving them their support.
As such, when Neo-cons enact "deregulation", they only do so in a way that benefits the corporate elite. But this is not the only type of "deregulation" possible. Believe it or not, It is entirely possible to be anti-monopoly and anti-fascist and still be a libertarian capitalist. Just as the Stalinists try to fool everyone into believing they were Marxist Utopian's, the fascists want to make everybody believe they are lib-caps. Don't be fooled. |
BB, I have to just say, how many times will it take for you to realize it just doesn't work? There was the Great Depression, numerous depressions and recessions before and after, including our current one, and the whole of the Industrial revolution which was the zenith of de-regulation. It just doesn't work, and the test of time happens to be an accurate test. It's all fine and dandy for you to believe in lib-cap, but I think you seem to be ignoring the end result of its policies: economic ruin, which the mixed-market policymakers are forced afterwards to clean up. |
Weren't you a noveau fascist at the start of the year? forgot you're schizo....so the above post means shit for schizobrains.
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What is a Democratic Socialist?
It is a Communist who is cowardly
enough to call himself what he's not, for fear of backlash on the Semantics. It is about the "Speed" of the "Revolution".
Like Hitler said "get them persuaded and us elected"
Caveat Emptor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Socialism
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