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Teimuraz Sakirovadze
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Posted: Tue 2008-05-13 00:20
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Who Is Bob Barr?
Former Georgia congressman and Clinton impeacher-in-chief Bob Barr announced today that he will be seeking the presidency as a candidate of the Libertarian Party. The first name that pops to mind is Ralph Nader. Republicans fear a repeat of 2000, with Barr siphoning votes from John McCain (although it’s also possible he’d sabotage Obama). Others wonder how Barr’s candidacy will play with Ron Paul supporters.
The Texas Republican, who has slowed his candidacy to a crawl in recent months—but hasn’t dropped out!—has come under pressure to make a third-party run for the presidency. Barr’s announcement appears to have closed the door on a Paul run, at least on the Libertarian ticket.
So what does Ron Paul think of Barr’s announcement? "Our thoughts are that Bob and Ron are friends and remain friends," said Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. You can see why. Some of Barr’s words today sounded as if they could have come out of Paul’s mouth: He accused both parties of "running a charity called the United States of America" and slammed Hillary Clinton for saying she’d "obliterate Iran" if they attacked Israel.
But whatever their similarities, Benton says Paul has no plans to endorse anyone—including Barr. "Ron Paul is a Republican and he’s going to be a part of the Republican party," he says.
Paul is still campaigning in upcoming primaries, including West Virginia and Kentucky. "He’s not going to be the nominee," Benton says. But the congressman maintains a "strong following" of 6 to 8 percent in most states and plans to continue running, he says. |
... BB, you get to analyze this. Knowing that you voted for Paul, this should strike you as an outrage somewhat.
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Batonfromage
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Posted: Sun 2008-05-18 18:38
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| Mephistopheles wrote: |
In my Time magazine issue this month, Ron Paul was named as the only US Representative to vote against a bill that would make genetic discrimination illegal. I'm not sure what Ron Paul's reasons were to vote in favor of genetic discrimination, but the article elaborated an example where an employee has a genetic propensity towards acquiring cancer, and that leave of absence would be unavoidable.
Pretty heartless of him I think.
Edit: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24403453/ is a viable link. Also, according to MSNBC, Ron Paul was the only Congressman to vote against the bill. |
I never understood this sort of logic. Simply because you believe people should have to freedom to do something, does not necessarily mean you support it (i.e. a person's right to free speech). Ron Paul opposes a ban on genetic discrimination, so it must be a vote for discrimination? By your logic Ron Paul is a nationalistic, racist, drug-using, prostitute.
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Acebrock
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Posted: Mon 2008-05-19 00:01
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| Batonfromage wrote: |
| I never understood this sort of logic. |
and I never understood the Ronpaulian sort of logic. You know, the thinking that anyone that criticizes their candidate is absolutely wrong, ad some sort of communist, yet any minor contraversy about any other candidate is fair game. Could you be so polite as to explain it to me?
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| Simply because you believe people should have to freedom to do something, does not necessarily mean you support it (i.e. a person's right to free speech). |
How is this relevent to the issue at hand? He's saying that employers should be allowed to discriminate against employees on genetic causes.
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| Ron Paul opposes a ban on genetic discrimination, so it must be a vote for discrimination? |
Yep, why else would he vote against the bill?
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| By your logic Ron Paul is a nationalistic, racist, drug-using, prostitute. |
now how the fuck did you get all tis out of that? anyway I'll break it down for individual commentary and my opinons overall
depending on how you define nationalistic
As much as it pains ronpaulians, yes. The newsletters were written in his name, so he should have known what was going into them, thus they should reflect his views, and the racist comments were going on for years. Not one or two articles, yet for some reason this shouldn't matter I'd love for the Ronpaulians to explain. This thread has a news article that sums up my views on this controversy perfectly.
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 and where are you getting this from?
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Batonfromage
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Posted: Mon 2008-05-19 00:13
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| Acebrock wrote: |
| and I never understood the Ronpaulian sort of logic. You know, the thinking that anyone that criticizes their candidate is absolutely wrong, ad some sort of communist, yet any minor contraversy about any other candidate is fair game. Could you be so polite as to explain it to me? |
I have no problem with people criticizing Rep. Paul, however, I see a large number of accusations as unfair.
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| How is this relevent to the issue at hand? He's saying that employers should be allowed to discriminate against employees on genetic causes. |
I am merely challenging the totalitarian belief that "if you disagree with something, you should ban it". Ron Paul does not believe people should discriminate, but does not wish to bring about governmental intervension.
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| Yep, why else would he vote against the bill? |
See above.
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| now how the fuck did you get all tis out of that? anyway I'll break it down for individual commentary and my opinons overall |
I was merely poking fun at the belief system that entails : If you don't want to ban something, you must support its use you obviously are guilty of it. The idea of Ron Paul supporting discrimination because he won't legally take action against it is kind of silly. Since Ron Paul wants to end the War on Drugs and legalize prostitution, he must be a drug-using prostitute. 
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Tristan
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Posted: Mon 2008-05-19 02:15
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Who Is Bob Barr?
Former Georgia congressman and Clinton impeacher-in-chief Bob Barr announced today that he will be seeking the presidency as a candidate of the Libertarian Party. The first name that pops to mind is Ralph Nader. Republicans fear a repeat of 2000, with Barr siphoning votes from John McCain (although it’s also possible he’d sabotage Obama). Others wonder how Barr’s candidacy will play with Ron Paul supporters. |
The Libertarian party always gets a portion of the Republican vote. The article seems to be reporting this as if it's something new. Honestly I suspect that fewer libertarians will vote the libertarian ticket this November in particular, since McCain is so much more socially-liberal than former Republican candidates. McCain will draw MORE libertarian votes, for sure, than Bush Sr., Bob Dole, and Bush Jr. He's a moderate and the swingers are his strong suit. McCain's weakness is with the party base... but who are they going to vote for if not McCain? Obama?! They probably just won't turn out for the election if nothing is done to win their commitment. |
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Azazel
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Posted: Wed 2008-05-21 01:28
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I disagree with you guys, this vote is consistent with Paul's beliefs, he thinks that individual people should make those decisions for themselves, he trusts the states, privately owned company's, and more importantly the people who own them to eliminate discrimination on their own, he doesn't believe it is the governments duty to "protect" and nanny the people, he wants fewer laws instead of more.
also he's probably a little behind on genetics as hes 76.
I'm not a Ron Paul supporter but I don't think this is inconsistent with his libertarian view point, although it does get close to anarchy.
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