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| From http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/31/funeral.protests.ap/index.html |
BALTIMORE, Maryland (AP) -- A grieving father won a nearly $11 million verdict Wednesday against a fundamentalist Kansas church that pickets military funerals in the belief that the war in Iraq is a punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.
A member of Westboro Baptist Church protests outside a veteran's hospital in Maywood, Illinois, in April 2006.
Albert Snyder of York, Pennsylvania, sued the Westboro Baptist Church for unspecified damages after members demonstrated at the March 2006 funeral of his son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, who was killed in Iraq.
The jury first awarded $2.9 million in compensatory damages. It returned later in the afternoon with its decision to award $6 million in punitive damages for invasion of privacy and $2 million for causing emotional distress.
U.S. District Judge Richard Bennett noted the size of the award for compensating damages "far exceeds the net worth of the defendants," according to financial statements filed with the court.
Church members routinely picket funerals of military personnel killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, carrying signs such as "Thank God for dead soldiers" and "God hates fags."
A number of states have passed laws regarding funeral protests, and Congress has passed a law prohibiting such protests at federal cemeteries.
But the Maryland lawsuit is believed to be the first filed by the family of a fallen serviceman.
The church and three of its leaders -- the Rev. Fred Phelps and his two daughters, Shirley Phelps-Roper and Rebecca Phelps-Davis, 46 -- were found liable for invasion of privacy and intent to inflict emotional distress.
Snyder claimed the protests intruded upon what should have been a private ceremony and sullied his memory of the event.
The church members testified they are following their religious beliefs by spreading the message that the deaths of soldiers are due to the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.
Their attorneys argued in closing statements Tuesday that the burial was a public event and that even abhorrent points of view are protected by the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of speech and religion.
The judge said the church's financial statements, sealed earlier, could be released to the plaintiffs.
Earlier, church members staged a demonstration outside the federal courthouse.
Church founder Fred Phelps held a sign reading "God is your enemy," while Shirley Phelps-Roper stood on an American flag and carried a sign that read "God hates fag enablers."
Members of the group sang "God Hates America" to the tune of "God Bless America."
Snyder sobbed when he heard the verdict, while members of the church greeted the news with tightlipped smiles. |
Ignorant and arrogant fools. One of the first things about the Bible that is made apparent, whether you agree with it or not (Rye/Azazel I know you're going to say "blah blah Bible hateful blah blah" so just forgo that desire once, please, and keep this thread clean), is that we don't understand any god, Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Bahai, by inherent definition. To have a bunch of arrogant assholes think that if there is a god in existence, that he even *cares* about one insignificant nation-state of 300 million humans. Hate is a virtue? I think not. Additionally, they presume to understand their god, and pass judgment in his name? That's ridiculous. They think they're gods themselves.
Didn't Jesus teach tolerance and love for all? To turn the other cheek? Would Jesus go so low as to be so pathetic as to picket funerals, cause emotional distress, and then have an air of smug superiority and indifference in a court of law when he is ordered to pay reparations, with a smirky smile?
This is disgusting.
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Heh. I've seen videos with these stupid Baptists on YouTube... Personally, I don't think that people who chose to join the army, to join the senseless game of kill-and-be-killed, deserve any respect at their funeral. I think their insane hostility towards homosexuals is worse than their picketing soldiers' funerals.
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Posted: Thu 2007-11-01 15:19
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| Ygeon wrote: |
| Heh. I've seen videos with these stupid Baptists on YouTube... Personally, I don't think that people who chose to join the army, to join the senseless game of kill-and-be-killed, deserve any respect at their funeral. I think their insane hostility towards homosexuals is worse than their picketing soldiers' funerals. |
To my knowledge, the Westboro Baptists haven't killed any homosexuals; if they bother homosexuals, they'd get slapped with discrimination and harassment charges so fast they'd end up in prison. However, they've picketed funerals, causing emotional distress. While I think hatred is worse than annoyance, annoyance in this case has caused more damage than simple "I hate gays".
Why don't people deserve respect? You haven't died, and suffered, like they did. Doesn't that deserve some pity? Be a little more sympathetic to your fellow man, Ygeon.
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If you ask me , the war is God's desperate way to try to tell America that you should be so great and powerful that you should be able to change your attitude towards things like war and world domination.
As for the homosexuality..... If there is a god, IT ( cause we are uncertain about the gender or the form of its existance ) would probably be bisexual. SO who cares?!? Half of the baptist churches might be full of faggots anyway. lol
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| Mephistopheles wrote: |
| Ygeon wrote: |
| Heh. I've seen videos with these stupid Baptists on YouTube... Personally, I don't think that people who chose to join the army, to join the senseless game of kill-and-be-killed, deserve any respect at their funeral. I think their insane hostility towards homosexuals is worse than their picketing soldiers' funerals. |
To my knowledge, the Westboro Baptists haven't killed any homosexuals; if they bother homosexuals, they'd get slapped with discrimination and harassment charges so fast they'd end up in prison. However, they've picketed funerals, causing emotional distress. While I think hatred is worse than annoyance, annoyance in this case has caused more damage than simple "I hate gays".
Why don't people deserve respect? You haven't died, and suffered, like they did. Doesn't that deserve some pity? Be a little more sympathetic to your fellow man, Ygeon. |
Sure, they got suckered into the vendettas of a cabal to die in a senseless war. Whether or not they deserved pity (which I do think they did), their death sure as hell never warranted anything like the gloating the Phelpses have done. I've actually heard members claiming that they should be weeping tears of joy because of the fact that God's will is apparently being done through their deaths in Iraq. If this is, in fact, God's will to have soldiers die in Iraq partially because of one man's negligence, and God's hatred of homosexuals being vented inexplicably into war in Iraq, if these people had, in fact, any morals, they'd be Devil Worshippers (Not to be confused to be with Satanists due to the fact that most self-described Satanists do not even believe in the existence of, much less worship Satan in actuality), since Satan is supposed to be opposed to God (who seems to have proven himself to be an asshole if these fuckers are, in fact, right). Somehow I doubt that Jesus or even St. Paul would have endorsed The WBC's acting like such dicks to grieving families.
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| Why don't people deserve respect? You haven't died, and suffered, like they did. Doesn't that deserve some pity? Be a little more sympathetic to your fellow man, Ygeon. |
Hmm... Mephi, do you know Wilfred Owen's poem, Anthem For Doomed Youth? It starts with the line, 'What passing-bells for those who die as cattle?' Well, what passing-bells do those who choose to die as cattle - and worse, to kill their fellow human beings, deserve? There are many tragic stories about young people dying in war and leaving four or five small children behind; whenever I hear those stories, I wonder if these soldiers ever think about how many children those whom they murder, and whom they see primarily as enemies instead of as human beings, leave behind...
Don't get me wrong, I don't think their deaths are justified, or that death serves them right. I just don't think that murderors deserve much respect after death.
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Didn't Jesus teach tolerance and love for all? To turn the other cheek? Would Jesus go so low as to be so pathetic as to picket funerals, cause emotional distress, and then have an air of smug superiority and indifference in a court of law when he is ordered to pay reparations, with a smirky smile?
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Who who has not sinned may throw stones at 'em. |
Hey, I've never picketed someone's funeral, or been taken to court and shown disdain and futile resistance at a court sentencing. Back off, before you attack me, review your own behavior. To my knowledge, you've come dangerously close to flaming Com Ax, if not passed the barrier.
I'm just a guy on the internet. |
Hey, why do I always get misunderstood?
The who is the church. And a band. (Shameless gag.)
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Didn't Jesus teach tolerance and love for all? To turn the other cheek? Would Jesus go so low as to be so pathetic as to picket funerals, cause emotional distress, and then have an air of smug superiority and indifference in a court of law when he is ordered to pay reparations, with a smirky smile?
This is disgusting. |
Who who has not sinned may throw stones at 'em. |
Hey, I've never picketed someone's funeral, or been taken to court and shown disdain and futile resistance at a court sentencing. Back off, before you attack me, review your own behavior. To my knowledge, you've come dangerously close to flaming Com Ax, if not passed the barrier.
I'm just a guy on the internet. |
Hey, why do I always get misunderstood?
The who is the church. And a band. (Shameless gag.) |
To make it more obvious, it should have been "he" or "They" instead of "who".
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Posted: Sun 2007-11-04 15:41
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Thank God, those smug fundementalists finally got a come uponce!
Earlier this year, I saw a documentary about the WBC, it was by, O.K, I will try and spell this guys name, Louis Thereoux (pronounced Lo-ee Theh-roo).
He goes around the US, spending time with various group of unusual people, and examining the stranger peoples of America. A woman whose spent over 4 million in a cassino, the WBC, the American Nazi Party and so on.
It was truly fascinating. And disgusting. These Holier than though freaks even get children to hold up pickets featuring homophobic slogans and even pictures of men having intercourse. Well, stick men, but you get where I'm comming from.
They picketed out side a hardware shop because, I think I can remember, they bought wood from a Swedish company that employs homosexuals, which, by extension, means that Sweden is a nation of blasphemous, satantic, homosexual heretics.
They argued that the soldiers in Iraq died because God hated them  .
Now that is strange. THey say bad things only happend to bad people.
When a passing driver threw a paper cup out of his car a the picketers and hit a child, they were saying "Who could do that to a child?" and so on. BY their won arguement, the child was obviously an evil indiscriminant homosexual. THe kid was only about 7.
Well, I am glad they got what was comming to them.
GDGB
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| Comrade Alex wrote: |
Thank God, those smug fundementalists finally got a come uponce!
Earlier this year, I saw a documentary about the WBC, it was by, O.K, I will try and spell this guys name, Louis Theroux (pronounced Lo-ee Theh-roo).
He goes around the US, spending time with various group of unusual people, and examining the stranger peoples of America. A woman whose spent over 4 million in a cassino, the WBC, the American Nazi Party and so on.
It was truly fascinating. And disgusting. These Holier than though freaks even get children to hold up pickets featuring homophobic slogans and even pictures of men having intercourse. Well, stick men, but you get where I'm coming from.
They picketed out side a hardware shop because, I think I can remember, they bought wood from a Swedish company that employs homosexuals, which, by extension, means that Sweden is a nation of blasphemous, satantic, homosexual heretics.
They argued that the soldiers in Iraq died because God hated them .
Now that is strange. THey say bad things only happend to bad people.
When a passing driver threw a paper cup out of his car a the picketers and hit a child, they were saying "Who could do that to a child?" and so on. BY their won arguement, the child was obviously an evil indiscriminant homosexual. THe kid was only about 7.
Well, I am glad they got what was comming to them.
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1. I saw the Theroux doco too, although it was on youtube. Even though I was proud of seeing my hometown mentioned in the movie (they protested a church [not the one I went to] because its roof sustained some minor damage in a lightning strike, which is somehow related to homosexual acceptance), I still preferred Keith Allen's documentary.
2. I think the problem with Sweden was that the government arrested a preacher for insulting homosexuals, and therefore all of Sweden is damned. Sure, they claim that only the members of the church are saved, but that Sweden is particularly damned.
3. Technically, they claim that they died because God hates homosexuals, who are being given basic human rights by America. Since they are serving America, they apparently are supposed to be punished randomly.
4. I can only imagine what would happen to them when Fred actually dies (which may be soon). There'll probably be people who arrived to Topeka from across the country just to protest his funeral for the hell of it. Maybe that would show them how wrong their behavior is.
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| orwelliantherye wrote: |
1. I saw the Theroux doco too, although it was on youtube. Even though I was proud of seeing my hometown mentioned in the movie (they protested a church [not the one I went to] because its roof sustained some minor damage in a lightning strike, which is somehow related to homosexual acceptance), I still preferred Keith Allen's documentary.
2. I think the problem with Sweden was that the government arrested a preacher for insulting homosexuals, and therefore all of Sweden is damned. Sure, they claim that only the members of the church are saved, but that Sweden is particularly damned.
3. Technically, they claim that they died because God hates homosexuals, who are being given basic human rights by America. Since they are serving America, they apparently are supposed to be punished randomly.
4. I can only imagine what would happen to them when Fred actually dies (which may be soon). There'll probably be people who arrived to Topeka from across the country just to protest his funeral for the hell of it. Maybe that would show them how wrong their behavior is. |
Yeah, I think I remember the lightning strike. I think they saw it as an example of "Bad things only ever happen to bad people."
A bit ago in this country a preist said that he doubted the Virgin birth of Christ. His church roof was struck by lightning, caught fire, melted and set the interior a blaze soon after his comment. 
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Hate to resrrect a dead thread, but something just came into my head a few days ago I think I should mention.
They are also anti-semites. Apparently, all Jews worship the anus.
That is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most bizzare thing to come out of BBC appart from Top Gear.
How and why?
Speaking of which, there is another Therioux documentary on the 6 of April, about game hunting. Should be good, I intend to tape with my ancient VHS.
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But Top Gear is the good kind of bizarre. It is a matter of patriotic duty to produce as much CO2 as possible!
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| Comrade Aleks wrote: |
Hate to resrrect a dead thread, but something just came into my head a few days ago I think I should mention.
They are also anti-semites. Apparently, all Jews worship the anus.
That is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most bizzare thing to come out of BBC appart from Top Gear.
How and why?
Speaking of which, there is another Therioux documentary on the 6 of April, about game hunting. Should be good, I intend to tape with my ancient VHS.
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As a matter of fact, the Anti-Defamation League actually posted a short list of quotes which openly bashed Jews. And they act like the Gays and anybody who disapproves of them are the Nazis! On the other hand, they do hate virtually everybody else on the planet besides themselves, and I suppose Jews would count as "Everybody else."
And, since you brought it up, I still use VHS, too, to an extent, anyway. Sure, I primarily use it for some movies I rent, and my purchases are DVDs now, but there are still many good titles which still haven't been given a proper DVD release, but have been given a proper VHS.
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But Top Gear is the good kind of bizarre. It is a matter of patriotic duty to produce as much CO2 as possible! |
Damn right! Have ou read Jeremy Clarksons Manifesto?
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Some of his views would make Genghis Khan blush, but as one of our most outspoken TV personalities, Jeremy Clarkson has built up a devoted following who tune in to Top Gear not only for the cars, but for his scabrous wit.
Now, more than 28,000 have signed a Downing Street petition for Clarkson to be declared Prime Minister.
Here, in the spirit of fun - and with apologies for bad taste and to the man himself - LEO McKINSTRY imagines Clarkson's manifesto.
1 ENCOURAGE GLOBAL WARMING
Britons will be encouraged, through discounts and tax relief, to drive 4x4s, Jaguars and BMWs. Not only will this give a valuable boost to our oil industry, but it will encourage climate change. And what's not to like about global warming? Holland gets flooded and we get California's weather. That's what I call a win/win situation.
2 ABOLISH CRICKET
How can we take seriously a sport that stops for afternoon tea and whose followers wear striped blazers and bray like horses? Let's face it, we have been rubbish at cricket for years, so we should put an end to the endless cycle of misery in summer. My Government will bring back proper sports, such as jousting and bear-baiting.
3 END THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP
The only thing special about our link with the U.S. is the amount of grovelling we do. My Government will stop acting as if Britain is the 51st state of the union. The last time I went across the Atlantic, I found people so stupid I'm convinced their nearest living relative must be a gherkin. They're the sort of people who can't read a road sign without moving their lips. Plus their cars are about as sexy as Ann Widdecombe's armpit.
4 BAN HEALTH & SAFETY
The safety bureaucrats are the abominable no-men, constantly dreaming up new reasons to abolish fun and hobble business. With their silly regulations, they have done more damage to British industry than the Luftwaffe. They are the human equivalent of a Lada. But at least you could drive a Lada off a cliff.
5 DEAL WITH YOUTH CRIME
It's true that some juvenile oiks come from broken homes where parents have all the child-rearing skills of King Herod. But let's stop making excuses. These delinquents have been creating mayhem for too long. They need to be taught some fear. Looking down the barrel of a sub-machine gun in a prison camp on the Outer Hebrides might do the trick.
6 REMOVE SPEED CAMERAS
Thanks to mass immigration, urban traffic moves at the speed of an arthritic snail. But still motorists are bullied by the rash of speed cameras, which are nothing more than a revenue-raising device. Serious criminals do not have to put up with this level of surveillance. My Government will tear down cameras and raise the motorway speed limit to 150mph.
7 TEACH BRITISH HISTORY
Pupils are taught to feel ashamed of their past, our national flag is treated as an embarrassment, our heritage as a source of shame. My Government would end this cultural cringe. The only problem with the Empire is that it wasn't big enough and didn't last long enough.
8 GET OUT OF IRAQ
Our involvement in Iraq has been the most misguided foreign adventure since Napoleon said: "I hear Moscow's nice at this time of year." As Prime Minister, I will bring back every British soldier and let the Iraqis get on with the national pastime of killing each other. And I'll put His Tonyness on trial for crimes against humanity and the Armed Services.
9 BRING BACK THE STOCKS
Despite Big Brother, there isn't enough humiliation in public life for those who deserve it. The medieval authorities had the right idea. The Beckhams will be the first in the stocks, followed by the chairman of the Health & Safety Executive.
10 END RECYCLING HELL
Putting out the rubbish used to be a simple task. Thanks to the tyrants of green officialdom, it has been turned into a nightmare. Placing the wrong garbage in the wrong bin is regarded as worse than mugging a granny. My Government will restore sanity by providing everyone with a bin the size of Bernard Manning, which will be emptied twice a week.
11 BANISHWALES
In my new-look Britain, Wales will be forced to go independent. Any country that has produced Neil Kinnock, Max Boyce and Charlotte Church does not deserve to remain in the UK.
12 AND EAST ANGLIA
That boring lump of flatness stretching out into the North Sea will have no place in Clarkson's Britain either. Then all those tiresome luvvies with second homes in Norfolk and Suffolk can have the thrill of going to a foreign country without flying to Tuscany.
13 BAN DIESEL CARS
A diesel has all the excitement of a vegan dinner party. It might be good for you, but so is cod liver oil. The same goes for lowemission cars such as the Toyota Prius. Feeling self-righteous as you tootle around at 10mph may earn you Brownie points with the knit-your-own-lentil brigade, but to the rest of the world, you look like a sanctimonious idiot.
14 END HUMAN RIGHTS
Under my Government, the rights of ordinary British citizens will have a higher priority than those of Islamic terrorists, Somalian gang-leaders and knife-wielding thugs. Homosexual pornography for deranged serial killers will not be regarded as a human right, nor will multi-million pound fees for hypocritical Leftwing lawyers milking the system.
15 KICK OUT BUREAUCRATS
The former U.S. President Ronald Reagan once said that the state was like a baby's alimentary canal: endless appetite at one end and utter irresponsibility at the other. My Government will reduce taxes by cracking down on all pen-sucking, paper-pushing jobsworths, outreach counsellors and parking enforcers, equality officers and drugs co-ordinators. Those who resist will be fed very, very slowly into their own office shredders.
16 FREEDOM TO SMOKE
In my Britain, smoking will no longer be seen as a crime against humanity. In fact, cigarettes will be encouraged in order to reduce the burden on the NHS and state pensions. After all, smokers perform a valuable public services by paying extortionate taxation, then generally failing to reach old age. The Marlboro Man has done more for our economy than any Chancellor.
17 BRITISH INDEPENDENCE
We fought the last war for our independence, and now we're under the heel of the unelected eurocrats of Brussels. Under my rule, Britain will withdraw from the EU, so we will no longer be governed by a bunch of sausage-eating Germans, French cheese-eating surrender monkeys and kebab-swallowing Greeks.
18 NO MORE COOL BRITANNIA
Cool is just a fancy word for pretentious or unpopular. The Clarkson Downing Street will not be interested in appearing "cool". Instead, my team will be encouraged to listen to Seventies rock music and wear figure-hugging blue jeans, no matter what their age.
19 CRACKDOWN ON CYCLISTS
Cycling is just as dreary as recycling and twice as pointless. My Government will come down heavily on this sanctimonious activity by introducing new taxes on Lycra, plastic helmets and the bicycles themselves. Altogether now: "Four wheels good, two wheels bad."
20 PUBLIC EXECUTIONS
Only those without any romantic sense of the richness of British history could pretend not to miss the public hangings at Newgate. The restoration of judicial killings before a cheering crowd would not only bring back some muchneeded colour to British life, but would also give the doomed prisoner the satisfaction of a brief burst of celebrity.
MY CABINET
CHANCELLOR: Ken Dodd - very sound on taxation.
MINISTER OF TRANSPORT: Richard Hammond - a man with the right sense of priorities when it comes to modes of travel.
HOME SECRETARY: Henry Cooper - a knockout for criminals.
CABINET SECRETARY: Heidi Klum - no Cabinet meeting would ever be boring with the presence of the supermodel.
MINISTER FOR FOOD & DRINK: Keith Floyd - no more puritan lectures about alcohol units.
FOREIGN SECRETARY: Boris Johnson - diplomacy is his middle name. |
I'd vote for him!
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And, since you brought it up, I still use VHS, too, to an extent, anyway. Sure, I primarily use it for some movies I rent, and my purchases are DVDs now, but there are still many good titles which still haven't been given a proper DVD release, but have been given a proper VHS. |
I don't even have a DVD player! W did, but I think the tray wouldn't go in or something and my Dad hit it. It stopped working all together in days.
We've been using my PS2 for about 2 years now...
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Hmm... Mephi, do you know Wilfred Owen's poem, Anthem For Doomed Youth? It starts with the line, 'What passing-bells for those who die as cattle?' Well, what passing-bells do those who choose to die as cattle - and worse, to kill their fellow human beings, deserve? There are many tragic stories about young people dying in war and leaving four or five small children behind; whenever I hear those stories, I wonder if these soldiers ever think about how many children those whom they murder, and whom they see primarily as enemies instead of as human beings, leave behind...
Don't get me wrong, I don't think their deaths are justified, or that death serves them right. I just don't think that murderors deserve much respect after death. |
I don't think you can equate soldiers with common murderer's, many of them have killed people yes but they thought it was justified, and some times maybe it is justified, for example I myself would have fought against a Nazi invasion if I lived in say Belgium or the Netherlands or Denmark, murder is the wrongful killing of someone, and whatever system of morals you use there are times when killing someone is permissible and even necessary. True so do many people that we call murderers, but soldiers had myriads of societal pressures and standards imposed upon them
a lot of these soldiers are just doing what they believe is the right thing, isn't that what you do? this doesn't mean we should celebrate or condone their actions, but disrespecting the dead is a fruitless and nefarious exercise , even spitting on Hitler or Stalins grave would serve no purpose.
on top of that the purpose of a funeral isn't for the man that died, hes not there anymore, as odd as it seems, its done for the living.
as for the funeral, I think you should have a right to include and exclude whoever you want, its a private event and you have reasonable expectation of privacy. If however the demonstration is outside of visible and auditory range then there is absolutely no reason to stop it.
and as a sidenote, this has precious precious little to do with Christianity, this is a case as with most religious people of doing what feels good and what they desire and then afterwards look at scripture to vindicate their point of view. What is actually written in the bible has seldom been an issue to the religious, especially those religious who are in power.
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EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen. |
so when I want to push war, I might get the disciples to read exodus, when peace is advantageous I might ask them to take a look at romans
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ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. |
so if I want to punish a nation for the actions of a few I need look no further than Isaiah. But if I wish to be repudiate my fathers legacy, it would do better to turn to Deuteronomy.
Anyway, this is a digression but it has a point, no matter what your point of view, you can find some bits of scripture to support this, and one can just as easily find more scripture to support the view that directly contradicts this. This above all other things, is the reason why both those most filled with love and those most filled with hate find what they need in the bible.
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