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Acebrock
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| Court rules kids shouldn't have been taken from FLDS ranch |
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*sigh* There are just no words for this.
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Texas Officials Appeal Ruling on Sect Kids
By MICHELLE ROBERTS,AP
Posted: 2008-05-23 14:32:49
Filed Under: Nation News
SAN ANGELO, Texas (May 23) - Texas child welfare authorities are appealing a ruling in the polygamist sect case, arguing that the state was right to put more than 440 children in foster care.
The state is also asking the Texas Supreme Court to allow it to keep custody of the children until the appeals are settled.
The filings Friday come one day after the 3rd Court of Appeals in Austin said the state failed to show the children were in any immediate danger when they were rounded up last month.
Members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints hailed Thursday's ruling as vindication. They've said there was no abuse at the ranch in west Texas and they are being persecuted for their religious beliefs.
Church members said earlier they expected an appeal.
"We're going to take it one day at a time," James Dockstader said Friday on NBC's "Today." ''We expect that they would go ahead and appeal it, but we are in full hope that" the children will return soon.
He and his wife, Nancy, have five children in state custody.
The ruling Thursday in one of the largest custody cases in U.S. history hammered the state for removing the children and directed state District Judge Barbara Walther to vacate the order. Technically, it applied only to the children of 38 mothers named in the appeal, but the ruling was broad enough to cover nearly every child swept up in the April raid.
The children were taken into custody more than six weeks ago after someone called a hot line claiming to be a pregnant, abused teenage wife. The girl has not been found and authorities are investigating whether the calls were a hoax.
Child welfare officials argued that five girls at the ranch had become pregnant at 15 and 16 and that the sect pushed underage girls into marriage and sex with older men and groomed boys to enter into such unions when they grew up.
But the appeals court said the state acted too hastily in sweeping up all the children and taking them away on the broad beliefs of the renegade Mormon sect.
"Even if one views the FLDS belief system as creating a danger of sexual abuse by grooming boys to be perpetrators of sexual abuse and raising girls to be victims of sexual abuse ... there is no evidence that this danger is 'immediate' or 'urgent,'" the court said.
"Evidence that children raised in this particular environment may someday have their physical health and safety threatened is not evidence that the danger is imminent enough to warrant invoking the extreme measure of immediate removal," the court said.
The court said the state failed to show that any more than five of the teenage girls were being sexually abused, and offered no evidence of sexual or physical abuse against the other children. Half the youngsters taken from the ranch were 5 or younger. Only a few dozen are teenage girls.
The court also said the state was wrong to consider the entire ranch as a single household and to seize all the children because some parents in the home might be abusers.
The Department of Family and Protective Services issued a statement defending the raid, saying it removed the children "after finding a pervasive pattern of sexual abuse that puts every child at the ranch at risk."
"Child Protective Services has one duty -- to protect children. When we see evidence that children have been sexually abused and remain at risk of further abuse, we will act," the department said.
Julie Balovich, a Legal Aid attorney, said the court "has stood up for the legal rights of these families and given these mothers hope that their families will be brought back together."
Five judges in San Angelo, about 40 miles north of Eldorado, had been holding hearings on what the parents must do to regain custody when the appellate decision was issued. Those hearings were suspended after the ruling Thursday.
The custody case has been chaotic from the beginning. During the first round of hearings, held two weeks after the April 3 raid, hundreds of lawyers crammed into a courtroom and nearby auditorium, queuing up to voice objections or ask questions on behalf of the mothers who were there in their trademark prairie dresses and braided hair.
Of the 31 people the state initially said were underage mothers, at least 15 were reclassified as adults before the hearings were suspended. One mother is 27.
The state has struggled for weeks to establish the identities of the children and sort out their tangled family relationships. The youngsters are in foster homes all over the sprawling state, with some brothers or sisters separated by as much as 600 miles.
Associated Press writer Jim Vertuno contributed to this report from Austin.
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Posted: Wed 2008-12-03 05:33
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| Re: Court rules kids shouldn't have been taken from FLDS ra |
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| Acebrock wrote: |
*sigh* There are just no words for this.
| From AOL news (sue me) |
Texas Officials Appeal Ruling on Sect Kids
By MICHELLE ROBERTS,AP
Posted: 2008-05-23 14:32:49
Filed Under: Nation News
SAN ANGELO, Texas (May 23) - Texas child welfare authorities are appealing a ruling in the polygamist sect case, arguing that the state was right to put more than 440 children in foster care.
The state is also asking the Texas Supreme Court to allow it to keep custody of the children until the appeals are settled.
The filings Friday come one day after the 3rd Court of Appeals in Austin said the state failed to show the children were in any immediate danger when they were rounded up last month.
Members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints hailed Thursday's ruling as vindication. They've said there was no abuse at the ranch in west Texas and they are being persecuted for their religious beliefs.
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Believe it or not, I tend to agree with the ruling. The sex life of a bunch of backwards cult-members really isn't the government's concern.
But yes, I know... Everybody wants to "save the children". I think Carlin was on to something.
And I really don't consider a 16-year-old to be a "child" In most of the world, the age of consent is 14-16. The only places that go above this age are Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, and a handful of uptight American states. Most people lose their virginity by age 16, and I don't see the need for the government to come in and punish this "sexcrime". Sex generally doesn't ruin a person's life. But to the contrary, it seems to me that it does more harm to grant the authority to armed Federal agents to swarm a village, kidnap children, imprison the parents, and force the break up of families.
Yes, yes, yes... I'm just one of those
CRAZY libertarian types. I can't help it.
In any case, the fundies are always going on about protecting "traditional marriage". And that is exactly what these people are practicing... marriage as it was practiced for thousands of years. It's the kind of "traditional marriage" I discussed back in this post -- forced marriage, to a man twice their age, for the soul purpose of pumping out more brainwashed religious drones. Backwards? Yes. Criminal? Not so sure. I personally wouldn't want to participate in one of these types of cults, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't want government employees to have the power to re-arrange my family against my wishes. In this case, the medicine is certainly worse than the disease.
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Posted: Wed 2008-12-03 09:18
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| Libertarian Doublethink?Too many bible-belting rabbits |
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this is a more trivial interpretation of the events, you simply don't care for them!
Consider when women are used in the religious cult for the purpose of being living baby incubators from an early age under the undue influence of a cult's psychological manipulation.
Lots of children like in Islam's policy of large families warrant the growth in numbers of this cult into sufficient numbers to increase their political clout and change laws in a couple of generations, then this makes the road to Theocracy very easy and paved with plenty of religious libertarianism flying in the face of anti-clericalism, science and rationality.
So Big Brother who's side are you really on? So much for Freedom from Religious Irrationality... 
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| man twice their age, for the soul purpose of pumping out more brainwashed religious drones. Backwards? Yes. Criminal? Not so sure. I personally wouldn't want to participate in one of these types of cults, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't want government employees to have the power to re-arrange my family against my wishes. In this case, the medicine is certainly worse than the disease. |
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I'm just one of those CRAZY libertarian types. 
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