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Post Posted: Wed 2008-09-03 15:04 Reply with quote
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I wrote a book. The Complete Patriot's Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism. Check it out, it will be out in a couple of months. It is like the idiot's guide books in format and contains an individual perspective of the petrolithic era, the trinity of monopoly and an institutionalized world. I am an uninstitutionalized individual. I have no military, corporate or religious background to speak of. I am just a person of the U.S.A. outside the box. Progressive press is publishing it. Thanks
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That sounds like an excellent topic for a book. Best of luck to you, if it is published in Scotland I'll pick up a copy. But I imagine it is quite an americo-centric book.
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Thanks for luck, if you walk into a bookstore you can see I need it. It has a lot of world history in it. how can I talk about patriotism without naming william wallace and how can I talk of patriotism without mention of the american revolution and the english empire so near and dear to scotland. I tried not be centric as you well put. Peace
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Winston the third wrote:
Thanks for luck, if you walk into a bookstore you can see I need it. It has a lot of world history in it. how can I talk about patriotism without naming william wallace and how can I talk of patriotism without mention of the american revolution and the english empire so near and dear to scotland. I tried not be centric as you well put. Peace


Perhaps you're not aware that "Patriot" in Americanese means Southern Redneck Secessionist with a gun fixation and a hatred for Washington DC.
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Thanks for luck, if you walk into a bookstore you can see I need it. It has a lot of world history in it. how can I talk about patriotism without naming william wallace and how can I talk of patriotism without mention of the american revolution and the english empire so near and dear to scotland. I tried not be centric as you well put. Peace


Most Scots would admit that William Wallace was an important character in our history. However make sure you get you're facts from encyclopedias or the internet. Bravehart misses out some important facts. For example, one of the battles in the film is the Battle of Stirling Bridge. The film misses out the bridge. See Scotland won by waiting till half the English had crossed the bridge then charging them so they couldn't use the full strength of their numbers. Sort of like in 300 (another historical inaccuracy) where they used the mountain so that the 'millions' (thousands) couldn't use their numbers. Another thing is that during the movie's depiction of the battle; a van can be seen in the background if you look hard enough. Well anyway take this unhelpful advice and once again good luck.
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that's the second time you kooks moved an active discussion of mine to room 101. If you want me to stop insulting you stop insulting me by removing relative discussions. One person was communicating, the rest of you bags of hammers have clodding around insulting and moving discussion. Is that what this site is about moving anything of content to 101. Why wasn't there days ago. soon as someone communicate you shut it down.



sly monkey much respect to you and your attitude of questioning. my five spams as he calls it , were four notes that I wrote relative to the forums. This punk meph exagerated , it was four posts of what he called rhetorical questions and i call actual questions. There were four posts by one individual, myself who was seeking to communicate the questions and the fact that i wrote a book. I should have simply put up the questions and not said anything about book. It turned into a whole lot more than that. On page 116 of thread 101, (like room 101) they attack me for putting up four same posts. I apologize and apoligized, but it is not spam for I respond and the questions are pertinent.

Incidentally there are four types of people in the world, I put up four posts.
If you look into the socrates allegory of the cave, there are four characters in the cave. If you then read the chatter of 116 it is amusing on a few levels.

in 1984 there are four types of people. In goldstein's book he says that there are only three.

I look forward to speaking with you and do my best void meph and his hater counterpart
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Alright - so I keep coming back to your thread and debating whether or not to respond to you.. but to be honest, what you're talking about is interesting to me.. so I'll take the bait and step into this wonderful little world of yours.

In sociology, I pursue a theoretical framework called "post structuralism" which is closely related to "post modernism." I bring this up because the concepts that I look at often could be closely associated with what you're talking about or rather have brought up in several of your various.. threads. I ask questions like, "What is social reality, what makes it up, how does it function, how do we navigate through it?" The post-structuralist in me constantly looks at institutions, considers how they influence the world and how the reinforce societal norms.

You say in your original post in this thread that you are not institutionalized. I beg to differ, my apologies.

You are as far in the cave as any of us and it will be very difficult for you to escape. Allow me to assess your position however - you keep "protesting" that your posts are getting moved to Thread 101, claim that you are not part of any religious or military or corporate background - you claim to be "outside of the box."

Now before you go and get indignant on me here, I'm not attacking you personally, I am making an observation about the world in which we live.

What language do you speak? What are your desires? Where did you pick up your moral, ethical, normative view of the world from? Even the basic of life - how you ask for water and food, imply that to some degree you are "institutionalized" by the society you were born into.

Let's look, for example, at your language. In order to communicate to people, or even to write in this forum, you must have some grasp of the language. In order to grasp the language, you must learn the symbols or "signifiers" in a language in order to tell people what your are talking about or the "signified." Not every society or country uses the same languages, and concepts from one language to another do not translate exactly. Even the formation of a sentence in one language makes it difficult to interpret 100% in another. When you use the established system of signifiers in order to navigate your social reality, you are already starting to conform to the social norms which regulate society. These social norms dictate how we define ourselves.. and since these words which are generated by social norms which we adapt to in order to navigate the social fabric around us, you are already entwined in the "institution." Even in order to identify yourself as separate from us "institutionalized" folk, you must use the signifiers society has crafted for you to identify your positions.

By claiming that you are not part of the institution, you are placing yourself into another category that is still understandable by our language. You are still part of the overall institution of society, and thus are still stuck in the cave with the rest of us. In order to really escape from the cave, you must erase from yourself all identity within the society norms. This cannot be done simply by saying, "I rebel!" and then doing the opposite of what people expect. Doing that just means you are still playing by our rules, just not the normal set everybody else plays with.

You were raised by a family or some sort of institution. Family is part of a system we refer to as ISA or Ideological State Apparatuses - if you went to church or you went to school, or you were raised by your mother, your father, your brother, sister or the state, you were raised by something. They taught you the system of signifiers you operate under, you learned from them how to reject or accept their ideologies but are still in the cave with the rest of us.. only you're yelling about a different set of shadows. We still understand what you mean and until you can operate beyond language, there is a good chance you will never escape the effects of the ISA's that raised you or that you still participate in. Even the group that published you - look at what they publish. They are clearly an ISA set out to reinforce the norms of their signifiers, all of which are contained within the greater societal structures.

The allegory of the cave is irrelevant - not because it wasn't interesting philosophy (it was) but because the ideal that we can escape into the sunlight is ludicrous. We create social institutions and entities all the time - but they are always contained within a larger set of signifiers that connects everybody to similar ideologies. The only way to escape is to find yourself in a situation where you can truly not define what is happening, and then.. well, we don't really know what happens.. but the examples we have looked at normally results in death. They are few and far between, though, so I can't really say that would be the result.

What I can say is that despite what you claim here, you are most certainly not the last man anywhere, you most certainly are not outside the cave. We are all in it together, friend. Pull up a chair and pour yourself some tea, it's gonna be a long haul.
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respect unfrozen one

Your points are valid I agree there is no leaving the environment, however involvement and participation in institutional function is a choice. There are certain factors which are inescapable.

though it appears to me that your just tearing me down to tear me down. )
It seems like you're expanding what I am talking about as far as being uninstitutionalized.
I accept all those points, though don't assumptions about my history are just that.
i represent no institution, save the USA by default. In seeking authorship if one is not in an institution, if one is not thoroughly institutionalized it is unrealistic people will consider your work on a subject as controversial as patriotism. I was literally speaking of institutions where I have might have an office or title.

Escape, who said escape?

Everyone has made vast leaps - too distracted by the book and not the idea I should have never made statement about book. you are hung up on it.

fools are institutinalized compared to me in the larger status quo sense you have as they are concerned in dotting the i's so to speak. I bought information and correlation and yet people rarely questioned the information and people frequently questioned me

On the allegory of the cave you limited what I was talking about. It is an allegory The sun is not literal. It is not about finding oneself or escape it is about questioning reality. Look into it a little more. there are four types of people in the allegory. If you know what they are and still find the allegory of the cave irrelevant to today, 1984, this website and that discussion athat ended up in two kooks spanking about queen then I will present another point or admit that it has no rellevance which ever you want.

we are all in it together, well said.


Institution I meant b I have no office of title in - I represent no -

QUOTEa significant practice, relationship, or organization in a society or culture <the institution of marriage> ; also : something or someone firmly associated with a place or thing <she has become an institution in the theater> b: an established organization or corporation (as a bank or university) especially of a public character ; also : asylum 4
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I never was so arrognat as to say I was the last man. I asked if I was the last man in reference to 1984 "the last man in europe" was the original title. you should learn about the signifiers used before assuming what is mean by them.

have you ever hear of the matrix. Yea the allegory was good philosophy.
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I never was so arrogant as to say I was the last man. I asked if I was the last man in reference to 1984 "the last man in europe" was the original title. you should learn about the signifiers used before assuming what is mean by them.

have you ever hear of the matrix. Yea the allegory was good philosophy.


Dude this is old news, we even got connected at NS with the guy who 'played' the face of Big Brother.....told ya, we done it all here.
The Matrix is like 1999 DC, are you that behind the times? Rolling Eyes
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pile of shit you are
I was not talking to you
I did speak to you about patriotism, but you have no discourse
I gave him matrix example because he did not get allegory of the cave
and alluded to it being a past theme so I presented current theme of allegory so he could get the allegory.
you are a hater

I am from the south and you are shitpile for you prejudge people based on where they are from and preconceptions about imagery of a word patriot.
Meph is reasonable.

you are a piece of shit for prejudging southerners.

done it all here? played out? Bail, skip off hater.

U got no answers for questions I posed

you just got hate, you know what that means right. You know what your second institution would say about that right? teacher would say' skippy you're jealous'

Prejudge lose shit.
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patriot talking 'exit establishment' point ab nauseum  
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Winston the third wrote:
respect unfrozen one

Your points are valid I agree there is no leaving the environment,
however involvement and participation in institutional function is a choice.%

There are certain factors which are inescapable.

though it appears to me that your just tearing me down to tear me down. )
It seems like you're expanding what I am talking about as far as being uninstitutionalized*.

I accept all those points, though don't assumptions about my history are just that.
i represent no institution, save the USA by default.

In seeking authorship if one is not in an institution, if one is not thoroughly institutionalized it is unrealistic people will consider your work on a subject as controversial$ as patriotism&.


I was literally speaking of institutions where I have might have an office or title.


Escape, who said escape?

Everyone has made vast leaps - too distracted by the book and not the idea I should have never made statement about book. you are hung up on it.

fools are institutinalized compared to me in the larger status quo sense you have as they are concerned in dotting the i's so to speak. I bought information and correlation and yet people rarely questioned the information and people frequently questioned me

On the allegory of the cave you limited what I was talking about.


It is an allegory The sun is not literal.




It is not about finding oneself or escape it is about questioning reality.


Look into it a little more.


there are four types of people in the allegory.


If you know what they are and still find the allegory of the cave irrelevant to today, 1984, this website and that discussion athat ended up in two kooks spanking about queen then I will present another point or admit that it has no rellevance which ever you want.

we are all in it together, well said.


Institution I meant b I have no office of title in - I represent no -


QUOTEa significant practice, relationship, or organization in a society or culture <the institution of marriage> ; also : something or someone firmly associated with a place or thing <she has become an institution in the theater> b: an established organization or corporation (as a bank or university) especially of a public character ; also : asylum 4


Survivalist here we come exit mainstream society....can you speak straight without the superfluous rhetorical allegories? what's your bloody point without so much of a preamble that goes into volumes. Rolling Eyes

Some could say you're trying to recruit prospects here, are you seeing the light already? Twisted Evil

...and hence we are on the topic of Oligarchical Collectivism revisited for Patriotic Propaganda Purposes, let see....ahemmmm let me clear my throat...ehr first



"FOUR PEOPLE"


1. Ideal Recruits. (discontented 'outer party'), bible-bashers, Doomsday Shitheads,trailer trash, rural underclass, rust belt ex-workers, Inner City Poor, newly-marginalized white collar workers, prison whiteys with leadership ability, ex-Military with shellshock and no prospects.

2. Idiots or Proles (needs no explanation; druggies, dopes, retards, couch potatoes, poorly educated proles, general either too weak for muscle or too stupid to 'learn' the Patriot Evagelicals or mere asperger/schizophrenic young adults 'kooks').

3. Establishment Drones (Rule enforcers, Police, Corporate Rich,Courts, BATF, US Army/Navy/Air Force, Mass Media).

4. The Rulers (Jews, Communists, Marxist Negroes pumping white chicks,Rockefeller, Federal Reserve, Eastern Establishment, Liberal Media, ZOG UN, Soviet Union reborn, Henry Kissinger, CFR).


Did I leave anyone out, remember literary allegories is not substitute for Sociological knowledge...or None Dare Call It Conspiracy Twisted Evil

$ So you're softening the entrance for the Patriot Militia...tell me you trying to murder Obama already, you know he ain't whitey imbecile red neck like you.
% Obviously your angle is either Survivalist, Hippie or Militia but there are no usable hippies left so the choice is narrowed to two categories.
& Abusing a common propagandistic fighting word eh?
* When did you stop your English education pal?
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Winston the third wrote:
pile of shit you are
I was not talking to you
I did speak to you about patriotism, but you have no discourse &&&&
I gave him matrix example because he did not get allegory of the cave
and alluded to it being a past theme so I presented current theme of allegory so he could get the allegory.
you are a hater

I am from the south# and you are shitpile for you prejudge people based on where they are from and preconceptions about imagery of a word patriot. **


Meph is reasonable. *

you are a piece of shit for prejudging southerners.+

done it all here? played out? Bail, skip off hater.+++

U got no answers for questions I posed you just got hate, you know what that means right.%%%


You know what your second institution would say about that right?

teacher would say' skippy you're jealous'

Prejudge lose shit.



Oh so very sanctimonious but were you living under a rock all these years?
Red Neck Southerners have not been arrived at the Civil War Defeat, what they gave some pamphlets and they got you already, surely your mind is very week, must be those dreaded 'environmental stressors' that convert people into fresh and active recruits.... Rolling Eyes

&&&& Who did you learn basic punctuation from Borat.
+ destructive ideas proven wrong must be driven out of business like disabling mind booby traps. Someone has to take out the garbage ideas out of the building.

%%% In fact there are no answers for dumb rhetorical questions, that's the intended purpose of the ab nauseum talking points indeed Laughing

++ Indeed you have been hiding under a rock or 'somsing'

+++ Hater who me? Of the KKK, White Power and Paranoid fuckwit militia, there is nothing wrong with that!

# not the sharpest tool in the USA's shed, typical ideography....going south like the American Economy and the education levels.

*You have no idea Twisted Evil

** Patriot literature says it all, I am humble, keep softening up... Twisted Evil

Any more tricks left? Twisted Evil
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Toss-up, who will I understand more, the nub or the veteran in the psych ward?
Carl has a better mastery of speech compared to W-III.
That's pretty sad, considering everyone has a hell of a time trying to understand Carl.

Winston, go get yourself some dictionaries, preferably Newspeak.

Otherwise, you're going to end up " ?SYNTAX ERROR ".

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hater of haters
I will not conform, I will not edit for you, for this site.

your Four types of people are pretty good. However your mind is so conditioned that you believe there are no patriots.
You are caught up in the interpretation you have been given
you are also cauhgt up with where I am from
You are a hater for attacking someone about their origins

My angle - I have none you are caught up in the idea tha I did something creative and want to destroy it - a natural human reaction to jealousy

I am a USA citizen from the best country in the world, I am not from the south. You judge via your brainwashed perceptions.

There are four types of people in the world

idiot
zealot that's you you refute new information counter to your preconceptions and judge based on your preconceptions. at least your not an idiot
elitist
patriot

there are four types of people in the cve

chained
unchained
captors
freed prisoners

there are four types of people in 1984
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THAT IS THE 3 TIME YOU MOVED AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.

FUCK EVERYBODY ON THIS SITE

KEEP YOUR PRECONCEPTIONS

I KNOW NOTHING COMPARED TO THE GREAT WISDOM OF YOU ALL


THE NUB, THE SOUTHERN RACIST HAS LEFT THIS SITE FULL OF HATERS

YOU FIGGAS IS ON SOME OTHER SHIT
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Winston the third wrote:
THAT IS THE 3 TIME YOU MOVED AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.

FUCK EVERYBODY ON THIS SITE

KEEP YOUR PRECONCEPTIONS

I KNOW NOTHING COMPARED TO THE GREAT WISDOM OF YOU ALL


THE NUB, THE SOUTHERN RACIST HAS LEFT THIS SITE FULL OF HATERS

YOU FIGGAS IS ON SOME OTHER SHIT



Stuck with the capslock eh? You're a real dope. Rolling Eyes
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Teimuraz Sakirovadze wrote:
Toss-up, who will I understand more, the nub or the veteran in the psych ward?
Carl has a better mastery of speech compared to W-III.
That's pretty sad, considering everyone has a hell of a time trying to understand Carl.

Winston, go get yourself some dictionaries, preferably Newspeak.

Otherwise, you're going to end up " ?SYNTAX ERROR ".

I'm Ron Paul, and I approve this message.


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You know I am not wanker windbag and I don't walk children to school when posting.

You guys are too much 'specialist' and mischievous to understand the wider perspective of things, no patronizing here, I have limited time to fill all the blanks with pages and pages of bloody posts unlike mephie. You know the stuff already don't you? After all I had to snap you all out of the schizophrenic trance run by mephie's own mental illness. Couldn't you tell that something was intrinsically wrong from the start? How many years did it take? Rocket Science buddy it ain't...
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carldiesturmer wrote:
Teimuraz Sakirovadze wrote:
Toss-up, who will I understand more, the nub or the veteran in the psych ward?
Carl has a better mastery of speech compared to W-III.
That's pretty sad, considering everyone has a hell of a time trying to understand Carl.

Winston, go get yourself some dictionaries, preferably Newspeak.

Otherwise, you're going to end up " ?SYNTAX ERROR ".

I'm Ron Paul, and I approve this message.


-Kostrikov


You know I am not wanker windbag and I don't walk children to school when posting.

You guys are too much 'specialist' and mischievous to understand the wider perspective of things, no patronizing here, I have limited time to fill all the blanks with pages and pages of bloody posts unlike mephie. You know the stuff already don't you? After all I had to snap you all out of the schizophrenic trance run by mephie's own mental illness. Couldn't you tell that something was intrinsically wrong from the start? How many years did it take? Rocket Science buddy it ain't...


Was pointing out the 4chan-like "CRUISE CONTROL LUL"(i.e. capslock and incoherent) posts.
Besides, this is a forum, not Wernher von Braun's secret lab in Peenemunde.
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Post Posted: Tue 2008-11-25 18:19 Reply with quote
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hater of haters+
I will not conform, I will not edit for you, for this site.

your Four types of people are pretty good.

However your mind is so conditioned that you believe there are no patriots.

You are caught up in the interpretation you have been given
you are also cauhgt up with where I am from
You are a hater for attacking someone about their origins

My angle - I have none you are caught up in the idea tha I did something creative and want to destroy it -


a natural human reaction to jealousy

I am a USA citizen from the best country in the world$, I am not from the south.$$

You judge via your brainwashed perceptions.

There are four types of people in the world

idiot
zealot that's you you refute new information counter to your preconceptions and judge based on your preconceptions.

at least your not an idiot
elitist
patriot
*
there are four types of people in the cve

chained
unchained
captors
freed prisoners%

there are four types of people in 1984


You writing some shithouse poetry in loose meter or 'someping'?
You obsessing over this'cve' shit, may be you need medical attention, I am not asperger sufferer to be a pedant over Oligarchical Collectivism to the nth degree...let's see who else baits the troll in this forum.

Gosh your grammar and punctuation is bloody awful Borat..how old are you five or something? Even that schizotard prick mephie/Nick can muster some bullshit pretense while on meds and you're 'normal'. Crazy

+ some people can't handle criticism, 'must be in league with the enemy, damned sons of bitches'! Do I care?
* 1 to 4, if it was that simple, like gentiles, saints, sinners, jews and ignoramuses outside the Biblical World of Arabs.

% The Robots Rebellion book by David Icke stupid shit, heavily plagiarized crap.

$ Typical propaganda spiel but the bad grammar gives it away. 'We know who you is American' Twisted Evil

$$ Don't have to be from the dreaded South to read their stupid paranoid propaganda. Rolling Eyes
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if you said some of stereotypes and racist statements in the real world I would confront you, with bony knuckles ready. You are lumping southerners, marxist negroes?, jews, people of certain institutions, inner city poor, trailer trash, poorly educated into groups.

I wonder if u would say that out loud to my face in the inner city?

Your sociological knowledge is limited by the fact you probably haven't been to the inner city or a trailer park or a police station.

I came to you with exploration of socrates and orwell and you came to me with taht racist shit and critcism of my spelling

Who is ignorantn here?

I say the word patriot and you assume I am a southerner, pro un or whatever.
who is ignorant

You should apologize and remember that if you said that in the real world you'd get clocked.

So I won't leave.

What does oligarchical collectivism mean? that is not a rhetorical question
What set winston apart from others in 1984? not a rhetorical question


am i the last man in europe that is a rhetorical question

you found four types of people, but definitions are based conditioned preconceptions.


That no one else on ere has called you out on racist ignorant statements is a sad example of limited mindset of you and you'll.
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I find it funny, Winston the third, is how you think that Plato's allegory of the cave is somehow the be-all and end-all of wisdom. The allegory of the cave smacks of Zoroastrian morality. Let's look at the original context of the allegory. The example Plato uses is that the darkness is "evil", the light is "good" and that the shadows are "justice". Now from where did Plato get this so-called divine idea of good? From his god, of course. What you do not realize, Winston the third, is that God is dead. We do not need a God to tell us what is acceptable, let alone what is unacceptable. We can do this ourselves. We can create our own meaning.

From http://www.lawrence.edu/dept/english/courses/60a/handouts/nietzsch.html
"For heaven's sake, do not throw Plato at me. I am a complete skeptic about Plato. . . . Plato is boring. In the end, my mistrust of Plato goes deep: he represents such an aberration from all the basic instincts of the Hellene, is so moralistic, so pre-existently Christian--he already takes the concept 'good' for the highest concept--that for the whole phenomenon Plato I would sooner use the harsh phrase 'higher swindle,' or, if it sounds better, 'idealism,' than any other." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Twilight of the Idols"

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you have the allegory wrong.

I will not explain the allegory to you so that you understand it.
that is a personal search

I will tell you that there are two sources of light in the allegory of the cave. one source of light is evil, the other source of light is impartial, neither is benvevolent.

The shadows are False Images Appearing Real created by institutions to distract you from reality- to make you think god is dead and to make hater think that inner city poor and jews are legitmate groupings of individuals.

light not justice you are about as far off from correct interpretation as possible.

god is dead = you are dead

you're ignorant that's your right to be and your idiocy to remain so

it is hater's right to believe that there are no patriots - adn that i am from the south and support the un

u could create your own meaning if you got the meaning of others straight first

god is another dynamic of the story that no one discussed but you

I had a discussion about the allegory of the cave removed the main reason I keep mentioning it and now I see no one understands it.

check the spelling hater
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Winston the third wrote:
you have the allegory wrong.

I will not explain the allegory to you so that you understand it.
that is a personal search

I will tell you that there are two sources of light in the allegory of the cave. one source of light is evil, the other source of light is impartial, neither is benvevolent.

The shadows are False Images Appearing Real created by institutions to distract you from reality- to make you think god is dead and to make hater think that inner city poor and jews are legitmate groupings of individuals.

light not justice you are about as far off from correct interpretation as possible.

god is dead = you are dead

you're ignorant that's your right to be and your idiocy to remain so

it is hater's right to believe that there are no patriots - adn that i am from the south and support the un

u could create your own meaning if you got the meaning of others straight first

god is another dynamic of the story that no one discussed but you

I had a discussion about the allegory of the cave removed the main reason I keep mentioning it and now I see no one understands it.

check the spelling hater

More mangled English Patriot Borat, you sure you are American or your age is 5 years old?
You know I am a 'hater', works great to shut other people up, enjoy your torch in your cave, get a few matches with the dumb metaphorical allegory

[Winston repeats again parrot-like "what's the relation with the Cave and Oligarchical Collectivism"].
Twisted Evil

From 'your hater' yours truly, tell me Winston, did you say the same thing 'HATER!' to employers and teachers too? And even wrote a book with such poor literary quality as you show online?
Don't change the subject shithead. Raise your very poor English Standards, you say you were born in the US, really like the Appalachians ?Evil or Very Mad
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I only call people who hate hater you

that's it just you

you're ignorant I won't ask you no more questions

I come to you with understanding and you attack me for my spelling

you are the defintion of hater

u get that right

I'll explain it to you in english if you like
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The bible, overpublished over-rated, imaginary people  
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Quote:

god is dead = you are dead

Religious nut Patriot, why I am not impressed or surprised?
Yep you are the dominionist theocratic patriot type. eh....on with the sermonizing, you said you removed that annoying bad spelling...continue on with the baiting, you are very repetitive, you wanna pretend you are a published author or something to mutually stroke the ego with the 'writers' collective' here, pseudo-intellectualism had its hey-day in the NS Board three years ago.
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change the subject? Hater
huh
You speak english and idont understand u.

what is the subject?

We never had a subject you never responded to me only your preconceptions

u r obsessed with cave man

actually at the begiining of this thread there is no mention of the cave

that was too much and moved to 101

but they don't move your ignorant stereotype away
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yuo wish you were a writer.

u know that good grammar is common writers are not

if you want to be a writer go ahead be a writer

don't hate on me for doin it

you can't take me down with misspelling stil

and you are so irrate i laugh you are the very definition of a zealot

I say patriot you say your preconception
I say god and you say your preconception

u are hilarious kook
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Objectivity for Dummies  
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Winston the third wrote:
I only call people who hate hater you

that's it just you

you're ignorant I won't ask you no more questions

I come to you with understanding and you attack me for my spelling

you are the defintion of hater *


u get that right

I'll explain it to you in english if you like

Spell check please, this is not SMS/IRS Chat.
There are way better resources and far more objective than some shithead calling himself 'Patriot' rattling Plato and Orwell willy-nilly without any credentials.

*You wanna bomb my house? Am I supposed to be intimidated or something into silence, I had plenty of practice already Twisted Evil
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bomb ur huose

what r u atlking about.

to verify that you have a good idea: put it out there and see if intelligent people get irrate
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bomb ur huose

what r u atlking about.

to verify that you have a good idea:
put it out there and see if intelligent people get irrate


I was right, tell me you take lessons in god-awful bad spelling and the punctuation, are you from the Zambian Scam or something?
You haven't even passed your test, you have only got worse.

Things must be really bad with your social life....isn't it the case Twisted Evil
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bra feminine little bro

you can't fade me
you can't fade me intellectually
and you can't fade me socially

you are only making yourself look bad by carryin on a discussion about how bad i spell and how socially dysfuncionable I am

you are a little bitch

I would say everything I am saying herein real life

I'd like you to say half the shit out loud see what happens
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u asssume i have no credentials becasue I am not an institutionalized lil bitch announcing "In sociology I"

No I came at you as an individual a real person with four chambered heart


you show you're a little bitch by your words
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u asssume i have no credentials becasue I am not an institutionalized lil bitch announcing "In sociology I"

No I came at you as an individual a real person with four chambered heart


you show you're a little bitch by your words

Yes dude I am a cyborg of sorts Twisted Evil
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Winston can't make up his mind  
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bra feminine little bro

you can't fade me
you can't fade me intellectually
and you can't fade me socially

you are only making yourself look bad by carryin on a discussion about how bad i spell and how socially dysfuncionable I am

you are a little bitch

I would say everything I am saying herein real life

I'd like you to say half the shit out loud see what happens*


You doing bad poetry again..I don't have to do anything dude you're messed up already with your little thoughtstop prayer sing-songs, so what else did you else did you at the Christian Fundamentalist Patriot Revival Session, how to stockpile guns and promote literature for terrorism?

*I don't think your linguistic skills are up to the task for what I have seen so far.
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see I won't call u a hater if don't attack me

That wasn't an attack. chills

I assume as a o c cyborg you have 1984. read above the 2 + 2 = 4 scribe and you will se more than a comparison made by me to the allegory of the cave, if you know what the allegory is, that is.

I am not pretentious but when one has the truth one does not have to be calm or cordial. Me or you or anyone.

I edit all day long, as a first time author, I was trying to come to like minded individuals to present my idea.

If you all are anything like critics, they are going to pick me apart Smile

I hope your assumptions and racist classifications were a joke

I am happy to see you pick apart my language and misspelling, but no one never once flinched on the word I made up or the expression I made up at the top of the thread. Forget about my spelling, what about my concepts?

SPelling criticism is juvenile dook
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Post Posted: Wed 2008-11-26 14:50 Reply with quote
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ah nah I didn't see that u did atack

u are a haterr and still I am shining real light on you

really I speak and I am not afraid to speak no matter my slur, lisp, literacy

for otherwise institutionalized zealots in rows and columns, properly spelled and in line with the margins, like institutionalized bitches, would do all the talking.

deny the connection to the allegory after u look at that page and learn what the allegory is

yo that's just one page in his book, one paragraph in mine

no sabes mi voz
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bad metaphors and figures of speech patriot idiot  
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Winston the third wrote:
ah nah I didn't see that u did atack

u are a haterr and still I am shining real light on you

really I speak and I am not afraid to speak no matter my slur, lisp, literacy

for otherwise institutionalized zealots in rows and columns, properly spelled and in line with the margins, like institutionalized bitches, would do all the talking.

deny the connection to the allegory after u look at that page and learn what the allegory is

yo that's just one page in his book, one paragraph in mine

no sabes mi voz



Is it too much to ask for basic quality standards unless your language is not English and you're not an American Patriot by not being able to conceal your true nature online which comes down to pidgin English.
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We have been trolled and spammed before at NS so we know your kind. Smile

I like the HATER name-call makes feel empowered, tell me is it suppose to scare me or something or other 'cause it is not working.
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Post Posted: Wed 2008-11-26 15:43 Reply with quote
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Winston the third wrote:
see I won't call u a hater if don't attack me

That wasn't an attack. chills

I assume as a o c cyborg you have 1984. read above the 2 + 2 = 4 scribe and you will se more than a comparison made by me to the allegory of the cave, if you know what the allegory is, that is.

I am not pretentious but when one has the truth one does not have to be calm or cordial&. Me or you or anyone.

I edit all day long, as a first time author, I was trying to come to like minded individuals to present my idea###.

If you all are anything like critics, they are going to pick me apart Smile

I hope your assumptions and racist classifications were a joke%


I am happy to see you pick apart my language and misspelling, but no one never once flinched on the word I made up or the expression I made up at the top of the thread. Forget about my spelling, what about my concepts?

SPelling criticism is juvenile dook*


& Pretty heavy duty to claim on "Truth", tell me God gave you the illumination too? Twisted Evil


*Dude you write like shit that's embarrassing, the punctuation is like a Nigerian Scam letter. So you're trying to pull our credit card numbers by selling shoddily "patriot" literature? If you have been careless so far, what does it say about the little Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism, it says it is crap. Stick to Orwell instead rather than trying to bolt together two disparate writers separated by thousands of years.

### your idea being Batman and his cave, "someone pass me a torch, the power utility cut off the fucking power Robin" Twisted Evil

Why do you keep repeating this little mantra "allegory of the cave" and "o c" is it suppose to induce some trance on the readers or mess with search engines like google? Or just change the content of the NS Forum Twisted Evil
% it is very clear where Patriots come from shithead.
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you are insane

the leaps and assumptions you make is hilarious and accureately reflects the reaction of the caved trolls

you are attacking me because of your preconceptions and what has happened before
you even said so

you are hilarious and psychotic and you are chopping down shrubbery around my tree

i call you are hater becasue it is accurrate

if that would make you think i am trying to scare you, then you are easily frightened probably off of unshaken preconceptions.

you have no idea, I get that.

I understand you don't like the way I write notes that's fine

there are four types of people in the world. the distinction is based on their reaction to new information.

bra bra u r a zealot
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