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Posted: Thu 2007-05-03 07:42
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Here's a few words from the next President of the United States.
Well, ok... he probably has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the Republican nomination. But I can dream, can't I? In any case, since his views are so close to my own, his campaign is of particular interest to me. I intend to follow his campaign closely (for as long as it lasts), so I thought I’d start a new thread to keep track of his progress.
To start the thread off, I've compiled a small collection of video clips. It appears that Ron Paul is a big fan of YouTube, so there are a lot of videos to be found. You can go HERE to see Ron Paul's own personal YouTube page.
To start off, here is an interview he gave in a small college dorm room to a young blogger.
Here's an even better look at what a non-neocon Republican looks like...
This is a campaign video which documents the first few days of the campaign.
And here's a 20 minute-long television interview.
Ron Paul explains his dislike for fiat currency..
In this next clip, Ron Paul hints at the Neocon's love fore Reichstag-esque trickery, and warns us to expect more of it in the future.
Here's a clip of Bill Maher beating up a fellow libertarian...
And last but not least, a modified version of the "Apple 1984" commercial created by a Ron Paul supporter.
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| And last but not least, a modified version of the "Apple 1984" commercial created by a Ron Paul supporter. |
Great parody!
Some information on Ron Paul:
| From Wonderful Irrestible Krazy Intellect |
Ronald Ernest “Ron” Paul (born 20 August 1935) is a 10-term Congressman, medical doctor (M.D.) and two-time and current presidential candidate from the U.S. state of Texas. As a Republican, he has represented Texas's 14th congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1997, and had previously served as the representative from Texas's 22nd district in 1976 and from 1979 to 1985.
Congressman Ron Paul advocates individual liberty, limited government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to monetary policies based on commodity-backed currency. He has earned the nickname "Dr. No" for voting against any bill he believes violates the Constitution. In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the "one exception to the Gang of 535" on Capitol Hill. He has never voted to raise taxes or congressional pay, and voted against the Patriot Act and the Iraq war. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpPeK4JdTuA&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytjiOwYSLMg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKSXFELOvg&mode=related&search=
(John Paul supporter made video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Ze0zNF9a0&mode=related&search=
(Ron Paul EXPOSED)
In Ron Paul Exposed, the video maker says that he believed 911 conspiracy theories.
But there IS some horrible logic:
"Why do so many of his followers believe in 911 conspiracies? Why? Because HE BELIEVES IT TOO!!!"
In this second video, he says that "Environmentalists follow Al Gore because of their views coincide. So if his supporters like 911 conspiracies, then..."
"More Irre"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3F-YOve5NI&mode=related&search=
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Posted: Thu 2007-05-03 14:50
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I found that last one interesting because it shows that it is possible for a libertarian like Ron Paul to get the support of bible-thumping fundies. This is something that make me wonder if Paul might actually have a chance. I haven't heard him describe his personal religious views yet, but I can tell that he definitely is not a fundie. I've heard him describe organized religion as a sort of opiate of the masses (although not in so many words). However, his pro-liberty stance does lead to strong "Freedom of Religion" positions which seem to be strong enough to placate the fundies (without all the messy neocon theocracy).
Even though he is not an evangelical Christian himself, he has somehow managed to get himself elected (and re-elected, and re-re-elected) in a Texan bible-belt district. That takes skill.
The best part of this whole thing is that Ron Paul is a 3rd party candidate running in a major party primary. If he can manage to secure the Republican nomination, he might actually have a fighting chance at the White House (or at least, more of a chance than if he ran as a 3rd party Libertarian).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Ze0zNF9a0&mode=related&search=
(Ron Paul EXPOSED)
In Ron Paul Exposed, the video maker says that he believed 911 conspiracy theories.
But there IS some horrible logic:
"Why do so many of his followers believe in 911 conspiracies? Why? Because HE BELIEVES IT TOO!!!"
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Nice. He's becoming popular enough to warrant attacks. Sweet. And if the best argument against him is that he doesn't trust the government, I don't think that is going win many people over.
From what I can tell, Ron Paul is just about as much of a conspiracy nut as I am. He is skeptical of many government actions (such as the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident). And while he himself doesn't seem to believe that the Neocons personally masterminded 9/11, he does seem convinced (as many people are) that the Neocons deceptively used the tragedy as an excuse to take actions that they had been planning for years. The Neocons prayed for a "new Pearl Harbor", and got their wish.
In any case, even if he was a conspiracy theory nut, what is the worst thing that could happen if he made it into the White House? If a conspiracy was true, he would expose it. If it wasn't true, he would have enough popularity with the tin-foil hat crowd to convince at least some of them that they are wrong. It sounds like a win-win to me.
Since you brought up "environmental issues", I feel I should mention that Ron Paul is skeptical Global Warming. Another 2 points scored by Paul.
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Posted: Thu 2007-05-03 21:58
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| From ronpaul2008.com |
GOP Debate on Thursday, May 3
The first debate among the candidates for the Republican nomination for president will take place Thursday, May 3rd, at 8:00 pm EDT. Congressman Ron Paul will be on stage standing between Senator John McCain and Rudy Giuliani. The 90-minute debate will be broadcast live on MSNBC, and streamed live on politico.com. The Ronald Reagan Presidential Library will host the event.
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"It is often argued that religion is valuable because it makes men good, but even if this were true it would not be a proof that religion is true. That would be an extension of pragmatism beyond endurance. Santa Claus makes children good in precisely the same way, and yet no one would argue seriously that the fact proves his existence. The defense of religion is full of such logical imbecilities." - H. L. Mencken
"The Aim of an Argument ... should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert (1754-1824)
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Any one who is 1. anti-murdering foreigners and 2. pro-Constitutional governance has to support Ron Paul regardless of their economic stance.
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Anyone who watched the debate would see that 3 of the Republican candidates DID NOT believe in evoluton, nearly all opposed abortion, all invoked God and made biblical references ("city on the hill" repeated several times), McCain got to tell us how the Grand Canyon and a sunset are a work of God, YET they are beating war drums to attack Iran and kill more Iraqis. We have McCain pounding his fist like Hitler...
Hello, fifth commandment, turn the other cheek, hello? Where does it say, "Thou shalt not believe in evolution?" I mean, even the Bible has a loose stance towards abortion:
Numbers 5:12-31
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I mean, the Bible is very specific that a fetus is not equivalent to a human:
Exodus 21:22-25
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See also Leviticus 27:6, Numbers 3:15,
Yet, these politicians care about lower fetuses and nothing about the humans we murder?
But very clearly, the Lord God commands "thou shalt not kill" and Jesus Christ declares "turn the other cheek." These Christians have to wake up, read their Bibles, and find out that their religious party is Godless. The polytheists speak with "vain repetitions." True Christians do not have to wear their faith on their sleeve like a political asset.
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Mahr's a biased as hell liberal. Paul's stupid beliefs concerning the civil war are as unimorpant as what denomination of religion he follows. Mahr totally ignored the issues and did not discuss the war. He wanted to sink Paul's campaign by making him look like a wacko.
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Press Release
Ron Paul Wins MSNBC Debate Poll
Ron Paul steps into national spotlight
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 4, 2007
ARLINGTON, VA – Congressman Ron Paul finished first in the MSNBC poll following the GOP primary debate last night held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Dr. Paul received 43 percent, beating the second-place finisher by five points, and crushing the rest of the field.
“Last night, Americans met Ron Paul and loved what they heard,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul’s message of freedom and limited government resonates with Republicans hungry for a return to their party’s core values.”
“Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the GOP race. Americans saw that last night,” continued Snyder. “The campaign looks forward to further debates and opportunities so even more Americans will discover Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace and prosperity.” |
http://www.ronpaul2008.typepad.com/
See also Olbermann's comment on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEWlKT9obPY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2Fmay2007%2F040507ronpaul%2Ehtm
Paul is second at this poll: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/3/213255/4333 and did well at the Drudge poll http://ronpaul.rescue-us.org/ (which they shut down.)
He'll be in the May 15th debate, which makes me psyched, because it is hard not to give this guy attention if he keeps winning the polls. Him and Romney are going to be "legit" second tier candidates.
Vote for him here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18421356/
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I'm not American, but I'm certain that if I was I would be supptorting Ron Paul. I learned about him via Alex Jones, as he supports Ron Paul's presidential campeign and views. I would have to say that most of his beliefs are closely in line with mine, such as his views on the Federal Reserve, IRS, false-flag terrorism (Gulf of Tonkin, etc.), war in gerneral, the constitution (or his views on liberty/freedom), and probably a lot more.
I saw these clips not so long ago (one I saw maybe last week?), Ron Paul on Lou Dobbs:
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| Here's an even better look at what a non-neocon Republican looks like... |
That series of videos is excellent, I remember I have only seen like half of them.
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Ron Paul explains his dislike for fiat currency..
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Yep, that's a good one indeed. I remember when I first saw that I was surprised and quite happy.
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In this next clip, Ron Paul hints at the Neocon's love fore Reichstag-esque trickery, and warns us to expect more of it in the future.
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Another good clip I remember seeing a while back, he speaks well and knows what he's talking about. Right on.
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| Mahr's a biased as hell liberal. Paul's stupid beliefs concerning the civil war are as unimorpant as what denomination of religion he follows. Mahr totally ignored the issues and did not discuss the war. He wanted to sink Paul's campaign by making him look like a wacko. |
Yeah, I'll be honest and say I used to find Bill quite funny, hell even now and then when I see him doing stand-up he's pretty funny; the problem is he plays that political game of right versus left and all that other bullshit, and he (like O'Reilly) can't even entertain notions such as the possibility of the government doing false-flag ops. Actually his commentary on the Jesus Camp movie was very good (he had three other people on with him, one from Fox), and a lot of what he has to say on religion appeals to me, but other than that I'd have to agree with sorianofan: Mahr was just being an asshole, keeping the focus off of real issues. Quite sad.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKSXFELOvg&mode=related&search=
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I found that last one interesting because it shows that it is possible for a libertarian like Ron Paul to get the support of bible-thumping fundies. This is something that make me wonder if Paul might actually have a chance. I haven't heard him describe his personal religious views yet, but I can tell that he definitely is not a fundie. I've heard him describe organized religion as a sort of opiate of the masses (although not in so many words). However, his pro-liberty stance does lead to strong "Freedom of Religion" positions which seem to be strong enough to placate the fundies (without all the messy neocon theocracy |
Althought I too have no clue as to what Ron Paul's religious views are, I would bet that he does follow some form of christianity; which obviously isn't a bad thing once you look at the issues he's running on. I mean, like you said he obviously isn't a fundie, but he does indeed get support from the religiously-inclined such as Alex Jones, who (although he isn't a fundie) does believe in God heavily and is a christian (and has christians who support his work as well). And if some christians see no problem following AJ then I would bet a lot more of them would be willing to follow Ron Paul.
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| From what I can tell, Ron Paul is just about as much of a conspiracy nut as I am. He is skeptical of many government actions (such as the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident). And while he himself doesn't seem to believe that the Neocons personally masterminded 9/11, he does seem convinced (as many people are) that the Neocons deceptively used the tragedy as an excuse to take actions that they had been planning for years. The Neocons prayed for a "new Pearl Harbor", and got their wish |
I'd have to agree, this seems pretty close to what Ron Paul believes; and that's good enough for me (being a conspiracy nut of course)! We need more skeptical-of-government-actions politicians.
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| Anyone who watched the debate would see that 3 of the Republican candidates DID NOT believe in evoluton, nearly all opposed abortion, all invoked God and made biblical references ("city on the hill" repeated several times), McCain got to tell us how the Grand Canyon and a sunset are a work of God, YET they are beating war drums to attack Iran and kill more Iraqis. We have McCain pounding his fist like Hitler... |
Shit, I really wish I watched the debate now, it seems like it was not only telling and informative, but amusing as well. I'm sure it's out on the internet somewhere in full form, I'll just have to search. All in all, athough that doesn't seem out-of-the-ordinary, it certainly is frightening.
Here's an interesting fact:
| From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul |
| Paul attended Gettysburg College, where he received his bachelor of arts degree in 1957, and the Duke University School of Medicine, where he received his M.D. in 1961. He did his internship and residency at Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit from 1961 to 1962, and was a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 to 1968. In 1968, Paul began his medical practice in Texas. As a specialist in obstetrics/gynecology, Paul has delivered more than four thousand babies. |
Something I would like to know is what's Ron Paul's position on drugs and the War On Drugs? Would he support a group like L.E.A.P. (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)? Anyone have any information on this?
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For me, it depends. If Obama wins the primary, then I'm voting for him. If Hillary wins, then I would defenitely vote for Ron Paul. It would be a hell of a lot better than voting for Rudy or (gasp) a third-party candidate.
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| For me, it depends. If Obama wins the primary, then I'm voting for him. If Hillary wins, then I would definitely vote for Ron Paul. It would be a hell of a lot better than voting for Rudy or (gasp) a third-party candidate. |
PWNED!!!
Ooooops... forgot to add quotes to the search terms. 
Oh well, I 'spose that isn't bad for a guy who was relatively unknown until a few weeks ago. Give it time.
| From http://www.ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ |
Ron Paul Wins MSNBC Debate Poll
Ron Paul steps into national spotlight
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 4, 2007
ARLINGTON, VA – Congressman Ron Paul finished first in the MSNBC poll following the GOP primary debate last night held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Dr. Paul received 43 percent, beating the second-place finisher by five points, and crushing the rest of the field.
“Last night, Americans met Ron Paul and loved what they heard,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul’s message of freedom and limited government resonates with Republicans hungry for a return to their party’s core values.”
“Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the GOP race. Americans saw that last night,” continued Snyder. “The campaign looks forward to further debates and opportunities so even more Americans will discover Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace and prosperity.”
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Holy shit. This guy might actually have a chance.
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Something I would like to know is what's Ron Paul's position on drugs and the War On Drugs? Would he support a group like L.E.A.P. (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)? Anyone have any information on this? |
Paul is a strict constructionist libertarian. Wanna take a guess at what his position on prohibition is?
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I figured somebody would compile a video of Paul's responses, but I wasn't able to find it. Thanks for the links.
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Anyone who watched the debate would see that 3 of the Republican candidates DID NOT believe in evolution, nearly all opposed abortion, all invoked God and made biblical references ("city on the hill" repeated several times), McCain got to tell us how the Grand Canyon and a sunset are a work of God, YET they are beating war drums to attack Iran and kill more Iraqis.
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I found the evolution question rather interesting. I found the video of the question HERE.
Raise your hand if you'll lie about your beliefs in order to win the fundie vote...
Just for the record, the three who rose their hand are:
Sam Brownback
Mike Huckabee
Tom Tancredo
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| From http://www.ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ |
Press Release
Ron Paul Wins MSNBC Debate Poll
Ron Paul steps into national spotlight
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 4, 2007
ARLINGTON, VA – Congressman Ron Paul finished first in the MSNBC poll following the GOP primary debate last night held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Dr. Paul received 43 percent, beating the second-place finisher by five points, and crushing the rest of the field.
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Here's the results as of today, May 6th, with 82,741 people voting...
MSNBC used an interesting method of polling. It allowed you to cast either a positive, negative, or neutral vote for each candidate (I love this kind of Approval Voting method. I wish the elections were conducted this way). Ron Paul lead the pack in both categories, obtaining the highest number of positive votes (38%) and the lowest number of negative votes (26%).
Positive Votes- Ron Paul (38%)
- Mitt Romney (27%)
- Rudy Giuliani (24%)
- John McCain (19%)
- Mike Huckabee (13%)
- Tom Tancredo (9%)
- Tommy Thompson (9%)
- Sam Brownback (8%)
- Duncan Hunter (8%)
- Jim Gilmore (6%)
Negative Votes:- Sam Brownback (46%)
- Tom Tancredo (45%)
- Tommy Thompson (45%)
- John McCain (44%)
- Jim Gilmore (43%)
- Duncan Hunter (43%)
- Rudy Giuliani (42%)
- Mike Huckabee (38%)
- Mitt Romney (37%)
- Ron Paul (26%)
Dr. Paul was the only candidate to get more positive votes than negative votes. If you were to subtract the percentage of negative votes each candidate received from the number of positive votes, the standings would look like this:
- Ron Paul (+12%)
- Mitt Romney (-10%)
- Rudy Giuliani (-18%)
- John McCain (-25%)
- Mike Huckabee (-25%)
- Duncan Hunter (-35%)
- Tom Tancredo (-36%)
- Tommy Thompson (-36%)
- Jim Gilmore (-37%)
- Sam Brownback (-38%)
Interestingly, MSNBC decided to ignore this poll and instead focus on the 2nd-highest ranked candidate, Mitt Romney.
Romney is the winner in Kansas, if not D.C.
"Among Red State Republicans, Romney is the favorite after the first debate"
Huh? Excuse me?
Dr. Paul isn't even mentioned in the article. What a crock. In fact, I've looked at several post-debate articles, and none of them talk about Paul (except for a handful which only mention that he was present). MSNBC also had an article that talked about the candidate's view on Iraq -- and, strangely enough, the article contained no comment about the only candidate at the debate to speak out against the war. How is that even possible? I'm beginning to have flashbacks of Spin - the documentary.
Lol. Paul came in 2nd to 'Zombie Reagan".
- Zombie Reagan (38%)
- Ron Paul (30%)
- Mitt Romney (11%)
- Mike Huckabee (4%)
- Rudy Giuliani (4%)
- Newt/Fred Thompson (who?) (4%)
- John McCain (4%)
- Tommy Thompson (2%)
- Jim Gilmore (1%)
- Tom Tancredo (1%)
- Sam Brownback (1%)
- Duncan Hunter (1%)
(10,673 votes)
- Mitt Romney (35%)
- Rudy Giuliani (20%)
- Ron Paul (18%)
- John McCain (6%)
- Tommy Thompson (6%)
- Tom Tancredo (5%)
- Mike Huckabee (4%)
- Duncan Hunter (3%)
- Jim Gilmore (2%)
- Sam Brownback (2%)
(63,388 votes)
| sorianofan wrote: |
He'll be in the May 15th debate, which makes me psyched, because it is hard not to give this guy attention if he keeps winning the polls. Him and Romney are going to be "legit" second tier candidates.
Vote for him here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18421356/ |
It will be interesting to see if the other candidates will pay attention to the support Paul is receiving and start acting like civil libertarians. It paid off for the republicans during the Gingrich revolution of the 90's to pay lip-service to the constitution, so I suspect that a few may now (thanks to Paul) be tempted to give it another try. But we won't be fooled again.
BTW... It appears that ABC news recently reset the poll they were running and added Dr. Ron Paul to the list. He currently has 5,599 out of 6,422 votes! Fuckin’ LOL!
UPDATE - Here's the results of ABC's poll as of May 7th 11:30am
Who do you think came out on top at the Republican debate?
Ron Paul - 9,281 (85%)
It doesn't matter who won. I wouldn't put America in another Republican's hands. - 1,008
Rudy Guiliani - 152
None of them. I'm interested in the possibility of new candidates like Fred Thompson. - 139
Mitt Romney - 138
John McCain - 83
Tom Tancredo - 27
Tommy Thompson - 15
Mike Huckabee - 14
Sam Brownback - 12
Duncan Hunter - 9
James Gilmore - 6
Total Vote: 10,884
That'll teach 'em for excluding Dr. Paul on the first poll. 
Here's another Ron Paul fan-vid...
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